UFO hearing: Whistleblower testifies government 'absolutely' has possession of

[Cypress]

You're making assumptions based on logic that might not apply to UFOs, so comparing them to those two hoaxes, would be pointless.

First of all, Big Foot and the Loch Ness monster are, if they exist, Earth based entities to which the physical laws of Earth apply.

They would have to be somewhere on Earth, taking up space at all times.

It would be reasonable then, to assume that if they really exist, better evidence would have been found by now.

With UFOs OTOH, we're talking about objects and/or beings from other worlds and possibly other universes, time/dimensions etc., which can seemingly appear out of nowhere and disappear into thin air.

They might possess technology that enables them to render themselves invisible to the five human senses and human recording devices, while operating right under our noses.

Because we know nothing about what lies beyond the miniscule portion of the universe we are able to observe, all we can do is guess and make assumptions.

Again, the UFO conspiracy theory seems to ask people to believe an extraordinary perfect storm of conditions to actually make alien spaceships a real possibility.

A vast decades-long global conspiracy of silence by the governments of all developed countries.

Exotic technology that can not only travel the galaxy, but can disappear and appear at will.

The lack of any large body of reliable and convincing video footage, despite the daily presence of six billion smart phones on the planet.

An ask for people to accept second hand claims, despite the lack of any verifiable physical evidence.



My basic rule of thumb is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Again, the UFO conspiracy theory seems to ask people to believe an extraordinary perfect storm of conditions to actually make alien spaceships a real possibility.

A vast decades-long global conspiracy of silence by the governments of all developed countries.

Exotic technology that can not only travel the galaxy, but can disappear and appear at will.

The lack of any large body of reliable and convincing video footage, despite the daily presence of six billion smart phones on the planet.

An ask for people to accept second hand claims, despite the lack of any verifiable physical evidence.



My basic rule of thumb is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Facts rational people can easily comprehend. The irrational, not so much.

 

[Cypress]

Facts rational people can easily comprehend. The irrational, not so much.

I lost patience with UFO-ology after the crop circles hoax.

Those things looked so weird, and it was so hard to believe anyone would go to the trouble of making them, I actually wanted them to be evidence of UFO landing sites.

I bailed out feeling naive and duped when it turned out people had been going out at night to make crop circles.

 

[Nomad]

Again, the UFO conspiracy theory seems to ask people to believe an extraordinary perfect storm of conditions to actually make alien spaceships a real possibility.

A vast decades-long global conspiracy of silence by the governments of all developed countries.

Exotic technology that can not only travel the galaxy, but can disappear and appear at will.

The lack of any large body of reliable and convincing video footage, despite the daily presence of six billion smart phones on the planet.

An ask for people to accept second hand claims, despite the lack of any verifiable physical evidence.



My basic rule of thumb is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Planet Earth and human existence is due to an extraordinary perfect storm of conditions.

Yet, here we are.

Or are we?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I lost patience with UFO-ology after the crop circles hoax.

Those things looked so weird, and it was so hard to believe anyone would go to the trouble of making them, I actually wanted them to be evidence of UFO landing sites.

I bailed out feeling naive and duped when it turned out people had been going out at night to make crop circles.

I was a big UFO fan in HS and the first year or so of college. The Ancient Astronauts thing, although largely debunked, still holds an interest for me.

IMO, given the timeline of mankind, it's more likely an ancient human civilization existed 20,000-30,000 years ago and then collapsed than for Space Aliens to be visiting us.

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Nomad]

Sounds like a serious case of HBDS you've got there.

 

[Nomad]

BDS.

 

[Lionfish]

Sounds like a serious case of HBDS you've got there.

 

[Nomad]

Right back-atcha, said the anti-Trumpers.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

This could be serious.

We have enough earthling idiots.
We don't need to be importing them from outer space.

Why would they be idiots?
Obviously because they came here.

With intergalactic travel capability, there has to be a better destination than this.

Somewhere, I bet, there's an entire planet that's like 1960s / 1970s Las Vegas.

 

[Cypress]

Planet Earth and human existence is due to an extraordinary perfect storm of conditions.

Yet, here we are.

Or are we?

I think in that case there is very strong, tangible evidence that life on earth depended on a perfect storm of conditions.

The right orbit for liquid water to exist.
The right size for it's gravity to maintain an atmosphere
A magnetic field to shield us from cosmic rays
A large companion moon to stabilize our orbital dynamics
A star that was enriched in heavy elements.
Protection from supernova radiation by being located in a sparsely populated part of the galaxy.
A class G star with sufficient radiation to support photosynthesis, and a stellar lifespan long enough to allow for biological evolution.

 

[Cypress]

I believe if NASA or the European Space Agency ran across alien spaceships during one of our interplanetary missions, they would not hesitate to share the news with the public. I think even the Russian and Chinese space agencies would too

NASA is going to study this from a good, logical, conservative scientific perspective. Which is what you would expect from one of the world's most prestigious science organizations.

NASA to Set Up Independent Study on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena

NASA press release, 22 Dec. 2022

NASA is commissioning a study team to start early in the fall to examine unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAPs) – that is, observations of events in the sky that cannot be identified as aircraft or known natural phenomena – from a scientific perspective.

There is no evidence UAPs are extra-terrestrial in origin.

The study will focus on identifying available data, how best to collect future data, and how NASA can use that data to move the scientific understanding of UAPs forward.

The limited number of observations of UAPs currently makes it difficult to draw scientific conclusions about the nature of such events. Unidentified phenomena in the atmosphere are of interest for both national security and air safety. Establishing which events are natural provides a key first step to identifying or mitigating such phenomena, which aligns with one of NASA’s goals to ensure the safety of aircraft.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-to-set-up-independent-study-on-unidentified-anomalous-phenomena/

 

[Nomad]

I think in that case there is very strong, tangible evidence that life on earth depended on a perfect storm of conditions.

The right orbit for liquid water to exist.
The right size for it's gravity to maintain an atmosphere
A magnetic field to shield us from cosmic rays
A large companion moon to stabilize our orbital dynamics
A star that was enriched in heavy elements.
Protection from supernova radiation by being located in a sparsely populated part of the galaxy.
A class G star with sufficient radiation to support photosynthesis, and a stellar lifespan long enough to allow for biological evolution.

Yes, and if it happened once in an unimaginably huge universe containing trillions of trillions of stars, planets and solar systems, it could happen countless more times. And some of the civilizations that occurred out there, could have been around for eons before the first one-celled organisms ever formed deep in the oceans that covered the Earth.

Anything is possible.

 

[Lionfish]