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UK finally ends 300 years of Imperialism
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George Osborne, the Chancellor of the Exchequer has warned the Scots that they cannot assume to stay in the sterling area if they elect for independence. That should concentrate some minds, a choice between a Scottish pound or the Euro. They may even have to get rid of the pandas in Edinburgh Zoo.
Osborne warns Scotland it could be forced to join the euro if it opts to go for independence
George Osborne opened the door to Scotland losing the right to use the pound yesterday as Britain’s constitutional crisis deepened. The Chancellor twice refused to say whether the Scots would be able to keep sterling if they opt to break up the union. He warned that a move to back SNP leader Alex Salmond’s bid for independence would seriously damage the Scottish economy.
Warning: Chancellor George Osborne told Scotland it could be forced to give up the pound if it became independent of the rest of the UK. He is pictured yesterday with Jan Milton-Edwards during a visit to the Macclesfield AstraZeneca site in Cheshire
Mr Osborne told ITV News: ‘Alex Salmond has said he’d want Scotland to join the euro and you have to ask yourself is that the currency you want to be joining at the moment?’
Asked whether the British government would let Scotland keep the pound, Mr Osborne said: ‘All these issues are going to be fleshed out now and flushed out.’
He added: ‘The SNP is going to have to explain what its plans are for the currency of Scotland, what its plans are for the defence of Scotland when it doesn’t have the protection of the UK, what its plans are for the Scottish economy when it’s not part of a larger economy.’
The Government in London has said that only it can sanction a legally binding referendum, which the SNP is planning for 2014.
'Bluster': Labour's former Chancellor Alistair Darling, left, also joined in the criticism of Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond, right
If Scotland goes it alone, Mr Salmond would have to apply for membership of the EU and would be expected to join the euro.
Mr Salmond claims Scotland would walk away with 90 per cent of North Sea oil assets, but leave English taxpayers to shoulder the £187billion exposure to the Royal Bank of Scotland. Mr Salmond said the people responsible for the meltdown at RBS ‘were the London Treasury’, adding: ‘I’m afraid people will have to take responsibility for the past mistakes they made.’
But it later emerged he wrote a letter to disgraced former RBS boss Sir Fred Goodwin offering him ‘any assistance my office can provide’ in the purchase of ABN Ambro, the deal that wrecked the bank’s finances. Former Labour Chancellor Alistair Darling joined the charge against Scotland’s First Minister: ‘It is typical of his bluster. He cannot overlook the fact that he publicly endorsed the deal by RBS that proved so disastrous. ‘The disaster that overtook the bank was made in Edinburgh, not London.’ Mr Osborne warned that uncertainty over independence is already damaging the Scottish economy.
He said: ‘There are businesses that are nervous about investing in Scotland when they don’t know about its constitutional future.’ The tensions over the referendum issue even spilled over into whether the Scots would be able to keep the two giant pandas loaned by China to Edinburgh Zoo. The Chinese have made it clear that the bears are ‘a gift to the people of the UK’. If Scotland becomes independent, some say Tian Tian and Yang Guang might have to leave the country.
Osborne warns Scotland it could be forced to join the euro if it opts to go for independence
George Osborne opened the door to Scotland losing the right to use the pound yesterday as Britain’s constitutional crisis deepened. The Chancellor twice refused to say whether the Scots would be able to keep sterling if they opt to break up the union. He warned that a move to back SNP leader Alex Salmond’s bid for independence would seriously damage the Scottish economy.
Warning: Chancellor George Osborne told Scotland it could be forced to give up the pound if it became independent of the rest of the UK. He is pictured yesterday with Jan Milton-Edwards during a visit to the Macclesfield AstraZeneca site in Cheshire
Mr Osborne told ITV News: ‘Alex Salmond has said he’d want Scotland to join the euro and you have to ask yourself is that the currency you want to be joining at the moment?’
Asked whether the British government would let Scotland keep the pound, Mr Osborne said: ‘All these issues are going to be fleshed out now and flushed out.’
He added: ‘The SNP is going to have to explain what its plans are for the currency of Scotland, what its plans are for the defence of Scotland when it doesn’t have the protection of the UK, what its plans are for the Scottish economy when it’s not part of a larger economy.’
The Government in London has said that only it can sanction a legally binding referendum, which the SNP is planning for 2014.
'Bluster': Labour's former Chancellor Alistair Darling, left, also joined in the criticism of Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond, right
If Scotland goes it alone, Mr Salmond would have to apply for membership of the EU and would be expected to join the euro.
Mr Salmond claims Scotland would walk away with 90 per cent of North Sea oil assets, but leave English taxpayers to shoulder the £187billion exposure to the Royal Bank of Scotland. Mr Salmond said the people responsible for the meltdown at RBS ‘were the London Treasury’, adding: ‘I’m afraid people will have to take responsibility for the past mistakes they made.’
But it later emerged he wrote a letter to disgraced former RBS boss Sir Fred Goodwin offering him ‘any assistance my office can provide’ in the purchase of ABN Ambro, the deal that wrecked the bank’s finances. Former Labour Chancellor Alistair Darling joined the charge against Scotland’s First Minister: ‘It is typical of his bluster. He cannot overlook the fact that he publicly endorsed the deal by RBS that proved so disastrous. ‘The disaster that overtook the bank was made in Edinburgh, not London.’ Mr Osborne warned that uncertainty over independence is already damaging the Scottish economy.
He said: ‘There are businesses that are nervous about investing in Scotland when they don’t know about its constitutional future.’ The tensions over the referendum issue even spilled over into whether the Scots would be able to keep the two giant pandas loaned by China to Edinburgh Zoo. The Chinese have made it clear that the bears are ‘a gift to the people of the UK’. If Scotland becomes independent, some say Tian Tian and Yang Guang might have to leave the country.
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What is the big fucking deal about two pandas?
'Oh, we get 90% of these oil researves, but DAMNIT WE LOSE OUR PANDAS!"
'Oh, we get 90% of these oil researves, but DAMNIT WE LOSE OUR PANDAS!"
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George Osborne, the Chancellor of the Exchequer has warned the Scots that they cannot assume to stay in the sterling area if they elect for independence. That should concentrate some minds, a choice between a Scottish pound or the Euro. They may even have to get rid of the pandas in Edinburgh Zoo.
Osborne warns Scotland it could be forced to join the euro if it opts to go for independence
George Osborne opened the door to Scotland losing the right to use the pound yesterday as Britain’s constitutional crisis deepened. The Chancellor twice refused to say whether the Scots would be able to keep sterling if they opt to break up the union. He warned that a move to back SNP leader Alex Salmond’s bid for independence would seriously damage the Scottish economy.
Warning: Chancellor George Osborne told Scotland it could be forced to give up the pound if it became independent of the rest of the UK. He is pictured yesterday with Jan Milton-Edwards during a visit to the Macclesfield AstraZeneca site in Cheshire
Mr Osborne told ITV News: ‘Alex Salmond has said he’d want Scotland to join the euro and you have to ask yourself is that the currency you want to be joining at the moment?’
Asked whether the British government would let Scotland keep the pound, Mr Osborne said: ‘All these issues are going to be fleshed out now and flushed out.’
He added: ‘The SNP is going to have to explain what its plans are for the currency of Scotland, what its plans are for the defence of Scotland when it doesn’t have the protection of the UK, what its plans are for the Scottish economy when it’s not part of a larger economy.’
The Government in London has said that only it can sanction a legally binding referendum, which the SNP is planning for 2014.
'Bluster': Labour's former Chancellor Alistair Darling, left, also joined in the criticism of Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond, right
If Scotland goes it alone, Mr Salmond would have to apply for membership of the EU and would be expected to join the euro.
Mr Salmond claims Scotland would walk away with 90 per cent of North Sea oil assets, but leave English taxpayers to shoulder the £187billion exposure to the Royal Bank of Scotland. Mr Salmond said the people responsible for the meltdown at RBS ‘were the London Treasury’, adding: ‘I’m afraid people will have to take responsibility for the past mistakes they made.’
But it later emerged he wrote a letter to disgraced former RBS boss Sir Fred Goodwin offering him ‘any assistance my office can provide’ in the purchase of ABN Ambro, the deal that wrecked the bank’s finances. Former Labour Chancellor Alistair Darling joined the charge against Scotland’s First Minister: ‘It is typical of his bluster. He cannot overlook the fact that he publicly endorsed the deal by RBS that proved so disastrous. ‘The disaster that overtook the bank was made in Edinburgh, not London.’ Mr Osborne warned that uncertainty over independence is already damaging the Scottish economy.
He said: ‘There are businesses that are nervous about investing in Scotland when they don’t know about its constitutional future.’ The tensions over the referendum issue even spilled over into whether the Scots would be able to keep the two giant pandas loaned by China to Edinburgh Zoo. The Chinese have made it clear that the bears are ‘a gift to the people of the UK’. If Scotland becomes independent, some say Tian Tian and Yang Guang might have to leave the country.
So essentially Scotland still wants all the benefits of being aprt of England, the pound, money, security, part of the EU, Oil, but they also want to ignore some English laws, pretty sure the English paid to develop that oil, now you just wanna grab it say "Oh your mistakes, wars long time ago, very bad. Um can we keep your currency?"
Petty Scotland very Petty.
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Aberdeen, which was once a poor backwater has become one of the richest cities in Europe on the strength of North Sea oil. Originally the SNP wanted a straight yes or no question but now they are trying to go for a third option, Devolution Max.
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How does this compare to the Sinn Fein party in NI?
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Who moved Aberdeen from Washington all the way to Scotland.
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Yes, but it's a minority position. So it's more similar to how it is in Scotland (although regionalism isn't quite as strong). The English were definitely more powerful than the Scottish, and the French were definitely more powerful than the Breton. But they were equal enough so that they can feel more like participants in the country rather than subjects of it. With groups that are too different in culture and power - such as the Africans and Europeans - the others can pretty much never be made to feel like participants. But that's not the case in every situation.
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I doubt there are many people, with any sense, who want to be part of the Eurozone these days. Northern Ireland has been booming in recent times and that would all end if it became reunified with the South.
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The Scottish National Party is a left-wing party. Most ethnic nationalism - the nationalism of one group seeking independence from another - consist of left-wing parties. Nationalist parties are generally only "far right" when they are supporting the interests of a nationality that's already dominant in the country. Really, that's the only consistent pattern you see when comparing parties that call themselves "right" to parties that call themselves "left" - the left-wing parties are for groups that feel subjugated, while the right-wing ones support the interests of the dominant groups.
Anyway, you see this pattern consistent across the world. The Parti Quebecois, Sinn Fein in Ireland, Republican Left of Catalonia, Plaid Cyrmu in Wales, Scottish National Party - all of them are left-wing parties. Also, when Africans and Indians were seeking independence from Europe, almost all of the parties involved were left-wing. The Front Nationale in France, the National Democrats in Germany, the Progress Party in Norway, British National Party, the True Finns - all far right. The only possible exception you could find to this pattern would be the Vlaams Belang (and perhaps the New Flemish Alliance) in Belgium, which seeks independence from Belgium, and is far right. However, Belgium really consists of two nation's wedged together. And Flanders has historically been the more wealthy of the two.
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The Flemish and the Walloons have never liked each other, they don't even have a common language.
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George Osborne, the Chancellor of the Exchequer has warned the Scots that they cannot assume to stay in the sterling area if they elect for independence. That should concentrate some minds, a choice between a Scottish pound or the Euro. They may even have to get rid of the pandas in Edinburgh Zoo.
Osborne warns Scotland it could be forced to join the euro if it opts to go for independence
George Osborne opened the door to Scotland losing the right to use the pound yesterday as Britain’s constitutional crisis deepened. The Chancellor twice refused to say whether the Scots would be able to keep sterling if they opt to break up the union. He warned that a move to back SNP leader Alex Salmond’s bid for independence would seriously damage the Scottish economy.
Warning: Chancellor George Osborne told Scotland it could be forced to give up the pound if it became independent of the rest of the UK. He is pictured yesterday with Jan Milton-Edwards during a visit to the Macclesfield AstraZeneca site in Cheshire
Mr Osborne told ITV News: ‘Alex Salmond has said he’d want Scotland to join the euro and you have to ask yourself is that the currency you want to be joining at the moment?’
Asked whether the British government would let Scotland keep the pound, Mr Osborne said: ‘All these issues are going to be fleshed out now and flushed out.’
He added: ‘The SNP is going to have to explain what its plans are for the currency of Scotland, what its plans are for the defence of Scotland when it doesn’t have the protection of the UK, what its plans are for the Scottish economy when it’s not part of a larger economy.’
The Government in London has said that only it can sanction a legally binding referendum, which the SNP is planning for 2014.
'Bluster': Labour's former Chancellor Alistair Darling, left, also joined in the criticism of Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond, right
If Scotland goes it alone, Mr Salmond would have to apply for membership of the EU and would be expected to join the euro.
Mr Salmond claims Scotland would walk away with 90 per cent of North Sea oil assets, but leave English taxpayers to shoulder the £187billion exposure to the Royal Bank of Scotland. Mr Salmond said the people responsible for the meltdown at RBS ‘were the London Treasury’, adding: ‘I’m afraid people will have to take responsibility for the past mistakes they made.’
But it later emerged he wrote a letter to disgraced former RBS boss Sir Fred Goodwin offering him ‘any assistance my office can provide’ in the purchase of ABN Ambro, the deal that wrecked the bank’s finances. Former Labour Chancellor Alistair Darling joined the charge against Scotland’s First Minister: ‘It is typical of his bluster. He cannot overlook the fact that he publicly endorsed the deal by RBS that proved so disastrous. ‘The disaster that overtook the bank was made in Edinburgh, not London.’ Mr Osborne warned that uncertainty over independence is already damaging the Scottish economy.
He said: ‘There are businesses that are nervous about investing in Scotland when they don’t know about its constitutional future.’ The tensions over the referendum issue even spilled over into whether the Scots would be able to keep the two giant pandas loaned by China to Edinburgh Zoo. The Chinese have made it clear that the bears are ‘a gift to the people of the UK’. If Scotland becomes independent, some say Tian Tian and Yang Guang might have to leave the country.
Why would they keep the Pound if they opted for independence? They'd definitely have to switch to the Euro, or create their own currency.
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It is complicated though as remember that the Royal Bank of Scotland, which was saved from bankruptcy by the Labour government, has a huge presence in England by virtue of owning NatWest. If they went there own way, I doubt that they would be able to sustain their policies of no university tuition fees and free prescriptions paid for courtesy of the British taxpayers.
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Yeah, Belgium has never really been much of a country. It's a part of France and a part of the Netherlands that wedged together for some odd reason. If you look at the history, this is really the result of how the Netherlands was structured. Belgium was once the southern part of the Netherlands. The aristocracy in the south all spoke French, while in the north they all spoke Dutch. Around the 1830's, the French aristocracy in the south decided to stage a revolution and establish their own country.
But the border that divided the French and Dutch speaking aristocracy was not the same as the border the divided the French and Dutch peoples. So, after the aristocracy was overthrown and Belgium became a democracy, the entire reason for the chosen partition was essentially outdated, merely having resulted in a was honestly a piece of the Netherlands being forced into union with what was honestly a piece of France. But history has inertia, it keeps things that were established for stupid reasons in effect long after its usefulness has expired, and that's where we are today.
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Doesn't the Holyrood have tax-varying powers? The Scottish could be paying higher taxes.
Of course, the Barnett formula does inherently favor Scotland to an unfair degree. It would make sense to either have the constituent nations sustain their services from their own taxation, or to allocate things based on need. You clearly don't have the first system, and Scotland receives more per capita than Wales even though Wales is much needier.
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The Barnett Formula was basically a way for a Labour government to keep the Scots sweet over the issue of oil and who owned it. Even Joel Barnett has said that it has outlived its usefulness. The Conservatives would probably get rid of it if it wasn't for the Lib Dems. It all boils down to buying votes and to use an American term 'pork'.
http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/july2008/propping_gerrymanderer.html