Ukraine rejects Russian demand to surrender port city of Mariupol

Jack said:
Little children are heard in the background, holding hands and dancing in a circle, singing "Legion is an Idiot! ... Legion is an Idiot!".
Click to expand...

LOL! You are describing a few adult(?) posters here. Do you also sing Kumbaya in your dancing circle ? :thinking:
 
moon said:
You should accept that some people do believe it is NATO's fault, myself included, but they don't all support Russia or want the war .
Click to expand...

dukkha said:
war of attrition it is, and I see absolutely no one urging/facilitating peace talks except Zelensky
Click to expand...

You might help your cause by not referring to everything as a game of chess, I doubt the innocent women, children and civilians in general see it that way.
 
Cypress said:
Biden Administration Approves Aid for Palistinians

The Biden administration announced on Wednesday (7 April) it would provide $235 million in US aid to the Palestinians, restarting funding for the United Nations agency supporting refugees and restoring other assistance cut off by then-President Donald Trump.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/gl...r-palestinians-to-provide-235-million-in-aid/
Click to expand...

They'll use it to make bombs and schools to train children to be suicide bombers.
 
moon said:
What is it that they're fighting against ?
Click to expand...

1afirehairjoos.gif
 
Earl said:
Indeed, Jack.

Let's have some clarity:

(1) Russia invaded a sovereign nation and is committing war crimes. targeting civilians...men. women and children...maternity wards.

(2) The US and other countries are sending weapons to the victim of Russian aggression. They are not sending troops.

(3) This naked aggression can not stand.


(4) Russia drew first blood.


Ukraine is a semi-presidential republic (CIA World Fact-book).
Click to expand...

Ok...I can live with that.

I assume then you are for starting war crimes trials against the Ukraine leaders who - since early 2014 - have been shelling the Donbas region; killing thousands of innocent civilians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

And for bringing war crimes charges against Saudi Arabia for bombing and killing thousands of civilians in Yemen.
By the way the Saudi's are supported by American (weapons and intelligence information) AND British as well.

And what about all the civilians killed in the American invasions of the sovereign nations of Iraq and Afghanistan?
Surely those were illegal acts by international law...were they not?
 
McRocket said:
Ok...I can live with that.

I assume then you are for starting war crimes trials against the Ukraine leaders who - since early 2014 - have been shelling the Donbas region; killing thousands of innocent civilians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

And for bringing war crimes charges against Saudi Arabia for bombing and killing thousands of civilians in Yemen.
By the way the Saudi's are supported by American (weapons and intelligence information) AND British as well.

And what about all the civilians killed in the American invasions of the sovereign nations of Iraq and Afghanistan?
Surely those were illegal acts by international law...were they not?
Click to expand...

why post a quote if you won't, or can't read it, clownboy? your wiki article on donbas shows clearly why this was not a war crime- it was Ukraine's own territory being taken over by russian supporters and russian troops. kinda like the civil war? get it, stupid? in any war, civilians die. there was no mention of ukraine targeting civilian targets IN THEIR OWN TERRITORY.

sure, iraq and afghanistan were illegal as hell. sure, bush and cheney were guilty of war crimes.


"The Supreme International Crime": How the U.S. War in Iraq ...https://www.jstor.org › stable
by R Kramer · 2005 · Cited by 114 — invasion and occupation of Iraq are guilty of war crimes. ... by Iraq against the United States, or any evidence that the Iraqi government was.

How US-Funded Abuses Led to Failure in Afghanistanhttps://www.hrw.org › news › 2021/07/06 › how-us-fu...
Jul 6, 2021 — War crimes against Taliban prisoners also occurred in the south. In early 2002, former Taliban wrote to the new Afghan president,


BUT WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH RUSSIA COMMITTING WAR CRIMES IN UKRAINE FOR NO REASON?
 
moon said:
You should accept that some people do believe it is NATO's fault, myself included, but they don't all support Russia or want the war .
Click to expand...

A lot of people believe the 9/11 terrorist attack was engineered by Zionists and rogue elements of Deep State.

I consider the truth more important than mere uniformed opinion.

Anyone who blames NATO for forcing Vlad Putin to bomb hospitals, shell schools, and reduce the city of Mariupol to a smouldering pile of rubble, is a person utterly lacking any moral conscience or sense of justice.
 
Cypress said:
Anyone who blames NATO for forcing Vlad Putin to bomb hospitals, shell schools, and reduce the city of Mariupol to a smouldering pile of rubble, is a person utterly lacking any moral conscience or sense of justice.
Click to expand...

I disagree;

We know that the US funded the coup which ousted Ukraine's legally-elected pro-Russian president
We know that the pro-Russian Ukrainians who voted for him formed two breakaway regions in the Donbass.
We know that the US fed its puppet government with weapons and we know that that government , along with its neo-Nazi factions, shelled those breakaway regions for eight years.
We know that over 14,000 people died.
We know that the Russians supported the Donbass regions, enabling them to defend themselves, thus creating a US/Russia conflict within Ukraine.
We know that the Russians saw this escalating as more US and NATO weaponry was delivered and the attacks on the Donbass became more intense.
We know that the Russians sought to end the conflict by having NATO agree to guarantee their security by backing off from Ukraine
We know that NATO refused.


Anybody seeing any anti-Russian mindset on NATO's part ?
Click to expand...

NATO's boy could have capitulated at any time. Still can.
 
Hoosier Daddy said:
why post a quote if you won't, or can't read it, clownboy? your wiki article on donbas shows clearly why this was not a war crime- it was Ukraine's own territory being taken over by russian supporters and russian troops. kinda like the civil war? get it, stupid? in any war, civilians die. there was no mention of ukraine targeting civilian targets IN THEIR OWN TERRITORY.

sure, iraq and afghanistan were illegal as hell. sure, bush and cheney were guilty of war crimes.


"The Supreme International Crime": How the U.S. War in Iraq ...https://www.jstor.org › stable
by R Kramer · 2005 · Cited by 114 — invasion and occupation of Iraq are guilty of war crimes. ... by Iraq against the United States, or any evidence that the Iraqi government was.

How US-Funded Abuses Led to Failure in Afghanistanhttps://www.hrw.org › news › 2021/07/06 › how-us-fu...
Jul 6, 2021 — War crimes against Taliban prisoners also occurred in the south. In early 2002, former Taliban wrote to the new Afghan president,


BUT WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH RUSSIA COMMITTING WAR CRIMES IN UKRAINE FOR NO REASON?
Click to expand...

I expected a nonsensical response from you...I was not dissappointed.

'In the late 20th century and early 21st century, international courts extrapolated and defined additional categories of war crimes applicable to a civil war.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime

Shelling your own people - who voted well over 80% to leave your country - is STILL a war crime.
DUH!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums

And 13.000+ Donbas civilians dying because of the war is nothing to do with shelling?
Are you really THAT clueless to believe this?
I guess so.


Go and troll someone else ignoramus.
I have not remotely enough respect for you to waste any more time on you over this.

We are done here.

Bye now.
 
Cypress said:
I know someone who lives in Mariupol, and I haven't heard from them in two weeks, motherfucker. NATO has zero to do with that.
Click to expand...

Well, mummy-porker, they maybe elected the posing stumble bum who fancied WW3 .

Yes, NATO had a lot to do with his election.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top