Unconscious? You Know You Wanted It

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This isn't the first case in which a confession is inadmissible. Certainly, it makes a prosecutor's job harder, but so what? Build a case and present it to the jury. If the jury decides there is reasonable doubt than so be it.




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in this case, i agree with nigel...the case could have still be brought, but he exercised his judgement and unfortunately the motion to compel was either lost or never brought

and if never brought, then that is against her attorney, not the DA
 
Fair enough. She wanted to testify. Doesn't change the fact that this case is a loser.

i'm not so sure it was a loser...like i said yesterday....i think the guy would sing if arrested and confess...just like he confessed to her

maybe he would get all lawyered up, but if he was truly sorry like he said, who knows...i think they had enough probable cause to arrest him without the recording
 
That wouldn't be a whine about a neg rep there, would it?

Nah - couldn't be.

LOL

asking someone to explain a neg rep is whining? had she actually had the temerity to leave a comment or *gasp* discuss it on the board instead of solely being a coward and giving a neg rep....i wouldn't need to ask her to explain it...

simple concept for most peole
 
in this case, i agree with nigel...the case could have still be brought, but he exercised his judgement and unfortunately the motion to compel was either lost or never brought

and if never brought, then that is against her attorney, not the DA
Maybe you know this. Who would pay her legal bills for the motion to compel if they were successful?
 
asking someone to explain a neg rep is whining? had she actually had the temerity to leave a comment or *gasp* discuss it on the board instead of solely being a coward and giving a neg rep....i wouldn't need to ask her to explain it...

simple concept for most peole

Dude, all I did was mention neg reps before, and you said I was whining. On one, I just put an LOL after another poster's mention of it, and you said I was whining.

So yeah, asking someone to "explain yourself!" about a neg rep? By every Yurt standard, that is a big, big whine.....
 
"His saying sorry has nothing to do with it. He is not admitting it again because he would go to JAIL."

Jesus Christ, does this actually need to be said???

So if a man rapes you, it's okay as long as he calls you up and says he feels bad about it afterwards? Does that go if a man rapes Yurt as well? Yeah, I didn't fucking think so.

And you have to be a freaking retard (mean sartorially so it's ok per sar-ah!) to wonder why, if he admitted to his victim during what he thougt was a private conversation, he didn't admit it to the police when they asked him. I mean, Jesus Christ can we at least get some sort of a minimal IQ requirement to post here?

WTF? and watch...charver will totally ignore this

nice false twist of my words darla....typical for a hater like yourself
 
so darla...explain your neg rep of this...

are you claiming onceler did not say the DA said it equaled consent? i guess you're brave enough to neg rep me, but not actually brave enough to have a discussion or a debate....much easier to solely neg rep

Well in order for her to neg rep you, she has to take you off of ignore in order to do so...

Zee plot thickens...:eek3:
 
Maybe you know this. Who would pay her legal bills for the motion to compel if they were successful?

depends on the statutes in CO....they may be equitable or statutory or depend on local rules as well

my hunch is that if she won, she would get attorney fees
 
Well in order for her to neg rep you, she has to take you off of ignore in order to do so...

Zee plot thickens...:eek3:

true...but i know she doesn't have me on ignore...she reps me everyday

she is too afraid to actually discuss an issue, much easier to insult me and make up stuff about what i say and of course never have to defend that or explain it...

pretty cowardly
 
Hard to Prove? This shit wasn't going to be hard to prove, it was going to be a slam dunk defense attorney's wet dream. But you want the prosecutor to try the case anyway. It would have cost him resources out of a limited coffer. It would have cost jurors at least 2 days of missed work, if you JUST count the trial and don't take into account the jury selection process. All of that and the worst part, some that you oh so sensitive and caring people don't understand, it would have forced the victim on the stand to talk about her sexual relationship with the accused. While rape shield laws protect a woman from having her entire sexual past brought up, it does not keep the defense from talking about her sexual relationship with the accused, and I can promise, a defense attorney would have had a blood feast on that alone. All of this for what would have ended in an acquittal. Not worth it. Someone has to do a cost-benefit analysis and part of that cost is the retraumatization of the victim. I love how easy it is to talk about this in a vacuum. I have had to actually conduct interviews of a real life rape victim that my client was accused of being the rapist. It sucks, you have to go into all the details. You have to question her identification of your client when the only time she saw her attacker was while she was being raped. Then, if it goes to trial you get to do it again. Only the most calous mutherfucker on the defense bar can do that without being affected. When it is done, and it ends in an acquittal, it is worse for the victim, because she thinks the jury did not believe her. Rarely is that the case, what the jury thinks is that the state didn't have the evidence. So when the state KNOWS from the beginning they don't have the evidence to get a conviction then yeah, they should decline to prosecute.

How often would you say they do have this evidence in a date-rape case?
 
WTF? and watch...charver will totally ignore this

nice false twist of my words darla....typical for a hater like yourself

And you wonder why i think you're mental.

:D

Onceler you is a bad bad man and i hereby chastise you.

That's told him, Yurt.
 
[
UOTE=Superfreak;716395]Sorry Yurt... if you are going to act like an ignorant little spaz, then I am going to treat you as such.

ironic statement coming from you

His saying sorry has nothing to do with it. He is not admitting it again because he would go to JAIL.

do you know this person? lots of perps admit crimes again because of their consciience...good lord, and you call me ignorant, you're beyond ignorant to claim that doesn't happen
This is simply stupid supposition. 'oh, because he didn't go bragging to other people about raping someone, he must not have done it' WTF????

you're right, that is a stupid supposition....you said it....not me


again... more ignorant supposition on your part. 'just arrest rapists and they will tell you everything'.... seriously? How can a person be as ignorant as you and still be alive?

you're seriously spazzing out and totally twisting my words...i said IN THIS CASE...i think he would sing given his prior comments...you once again dishonestly claim i am making a supposition that i never made....

you really lost it on this one...apparently you were unable to calm down and have a rational and honest discussion....

I am going to have to have a chat with Darwin.

i had no idea you could speak the netherworld....

LMAO.... THAT is what made you think there is reasonable doubt? The fact he didn't bring the case tells you that you moron. WE ARE discussing the issues. YOU can't seem to grasp the FACT that the MAN ADMITTED HE RAPED HER. There is NO ASSUMPTION. HE SAID.........

i have no idea why you thinks its funny...if i was her attorney and the fucker admitted it, i don't care if the tape doesn't get in, i would do everything in my power to make sure this puke is prosecuted....sorry you think thats funny
 
I'm having a somewhat challenging time seeing where the context makes this guy's comments look any better, at all.

He could have said "this is how it will look to people; it's not what I think, but I'm just saying how it looks." He didn't. He said "even me," and I believe the article is correct that we can presume he knew about the suspect's admission.

I also think his comments about the abortion that never really happened are extremely telling. I don't want to turn this into a pro choice/pro life thread, but those words are definitely revelatory to anyone who isn't a rabid pro-lifer....

I agree with this post so much, and it's nice that someone else noticed the abortion part.

Because I thought it was so telling that he says to her there would be other things revealed she wouldn't want revealed, and she asks, like what, and he answers, well your abortion.

He goes on to state that the suspect says she had an abortion, and it's apparent from what he says that he views this as a possible "motive" for her to lie about being raped. That is some really twisted reading there.

Because if I was questioning a rape suspect and he brought up an abortion the victim had had, my first instinct would be: oh, and did that piss you off bob? She aborted a pregnancy you where you were the father and you had no control over it? Is that why you raped her, to show her you're the boss after all?

And considering Buck's draconian abortion views, well...come on.
 
And you wonder why i think you're mental.

:D

Onceler you is a bad bad man and i hereby chastise you.

That's told him, Yurt.

see...you're just being dishonest and you call me mental because i proved you wouldn't call onceler or anyone else out...

thanks! maybe next time you ought not to be such a whiner
 
see...you're just being dishonest and you call me mental because i proved you wouldn't call onceler or anyone else out...

thanks! maybe next time you ought not to be such a whiner

What chance have i got against you, Yurt?

You've come out of this thread with nothing but plaudits and a reputation for level-headedness that few on the board can match.
 
What chance have i got against you, Yurt?

You've come out of this thread with nothing but plaudits and a reputation for level-headedness that few on the board can match.

wow...and you call me mental

nothing i've said in this thread changed anyone's opinion of me, they say the same things about me no matter what the thread is....

perhaps you could discuss the issue instead of just whining about me calling onceler out...because it just made you look stupid for whining about me, then saying nothing about onceler and darla....you do know what intellectual honesty is right...?
 
wow...and you call me mental

nothing i've said in this thread changed anyone's opinion of me, they say the same things about me no matter what the thread is....

perhaps you could discuss the issue instead of just whining about me calling onceler out...because it just made you look stupid for whining about me, then saying nothing about onceler and darla....you do know what intellectual honesty is right...?

They should have a stronger word than "ironic." Do they? I'm not even sure.

And charver, I have to take you to task - you called me out w/ much more feeling than anything you have directed at Yurt. I really must demand that you make an effort to equalize things, so that you have called both of us out w/ equal vehemence.

The ball's in your court....
 
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