Underwater Station

Phantasmal said:
This is very exciting news to me. We know so little about the unexplored oceans.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/underwater-space-station-proteus

[FONT="]Yves Behar described the structure as “the ocean’s equivalent to the International Space Station.”[/FONT]
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Sounds even more useless than the near Earth orbit space station....I need to hear concrete benefits other that a few people will have a cool time living underwater....will have stories to tell.

It at least needs to be mobile.
 
Phantasmal said:
I can’t imagine Costeau being involved in anything that would damage the ocean, but it’s a good question.
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Well, we got a surprise the other day. Some private aerospace company wants to build a space port here for "vertical launches." We were all excited until we found out WHERE they want to put it. On the lake shore. Carving out a huge swatch of woods for it. About five miles to our south. Activate the NIMBY Squad!
 
Cypress said:
Good to see the Cousteau family legacy carries on!

That Jacques Cousteau TV show was one of my favorite as a kid
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Mine as well. My nephew and his wife dive with him. My nephew is a very accomplished underwater photographer.
 
When was the last time anyone heard about any important science that came out of the low Earth orbit space station? They spend almost all of their time keeping the station operational, almost none of what was promised ever happened.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Well, we got a surprise the other day. Some private aerospace company wants to build a space port here for "vertical launches." We were all excited until we found out WHERE they want to put it. On the lake shore. Carving out a huge swatch of woods for it. About five miles to our south. Activate the NIMBY Squad!
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Oh, no! I can’t imagine the impact.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
When was the last time anyone heard about any important science that came out of the low Earth orbit space station? They spend almost all of their time keeping the station operational, almost none of what was promised ever happened.
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There is exactly zero chance humans will ever travel to Mars, or even extended stays on the moon, unless we have experience with long term human habitation of space.

I doubt either you or I are informed enough to pass judgement of the nature of the science conducted at the ISS.

Wrapping up, any international effort that requires the cooperation of multiple nations to work on the advancement of human knowlege and technology has huge intangible benefits to the international community beyond scientific experiments
 
Cypress said:
There is exactly zero chance humans will ever travel to Mars, or even extended stays on the moon, unless we have experience with long term human habitation of space.

I doubt either you or I are informed enough to pass judgement of the nature of the science conducted at the ISS.

Wrapping up, any international effort that requires the cooperation of multiple nations to work on the advancement of human knowlege and technology has huge intangible benefits to the international community beyond scientific experiments
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Ya they claim that they are working towards Mars by gaining experience with humans in space, but I have heard of nothing concrete, which almost certainly means that it is a lie, because if it were true they would be talking a lot in detail about all that they were accomplishing.

BTW: This is not exactly "in space"...the space station is in low earth orbit.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Ya they claim that they are working towards Mars by gaining experience with humans in space, but I have heard of nothing concrete, which almost certainly means that it is a lie, because if it were true they would be talking a lot in detail about all that they were accomplishing.

BTW: This is not exactly "in space"...the space station is in low earth orbit.
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Your level of expertise on planetary science, engineering, and astrophysics is close to nil - as is mine - meaning you are not informed enough to have a valid opinion.

If you supported spending a trillion dollars on the Iraq War Disaster, then you can sit back and keep quite while we spend a few billion on the ISS
 
I don't have expertise in the potential solutions (engineering, astrophysics, medicine, etc.), but, the enormous amount of challenges which we need to overcome to have astronauts do more than visit Mars for a quick photo-op makes me skeptical that we can maintain their safety or benefit much from their journey.
 
Cypress said:
Your level of expertise on planetary science, engineering, and astrophysics is close to nil - as is mine - meaning you are not informed enough to have a valid opinion.

If you supported spending a trillion dollars on the Iraq War Disaster, then you can sit back and keep quite while we spend a few billion on the ISS
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You people who believe that the opinions of only certified experts matter are idiots.....just look at where submission to the experts has gotten America....to almost total collapse from bad quality work.

To date, the International Space Station has cost as much as $160 billion, with the United States providing the bulk of the money — nearly $100 billion (although it depends how you include the price of the space shuttle program). Russia, Europe, Canada, and Japan chipped in for the rest. It's arguably the most expensive single object ever built.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...station-going-until-2024-is-that-a-good-idea/

. The average cost to launch a Space Shuttle is about $450 million per mission.
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https://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/about/information/shuttle_faq.html
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
You people who believe that the opinions of only certified experts matter are idiots.....just look at where submission to the experts has gotten America....to almost total collapse from bad quality work.
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Expertise matters.

Next time you need a root canal, try asking an accountant to perform it.

The ISS is a complex piece of technology, and neither you or I are remotely qualified to judge the science and technology associated with the ISS, on an obscure message board.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Sounds even more useless than the near Earth orbit space station....I need to hear concrete benefits other that a few people will have a cool time living underwater....will have stories to tell.

It at least needs to be mobile.
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The computer you are so casually using to bitch about tech was due, in part, due to the Apollo program along with several other spinoffs. That's a concrete benefit now which wasn't seen in 1965. That's the funny thing about R&D, it's like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates. Remember how the microwave oven came to be?

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/20/7423...o-reach-the-moon-was-put-to-use-back-on-earth

https://spinoff.nasa.gov/flyers/apollo.htm
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The computer you are so casually using to bitch about tech was due, in part, due to the Apollo program along with several other spinoffs. That's a concrete benefit now which wasn't seen in 1965. That's the funny thing about R&D, it's like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates. Remember how the microwave oven came to be?

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/20/7423...o-reach-the-moon-was-put-to-use-back-on-earth

https://spinoff.nasa.gov/flyers/apollo.htm
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I want/need to be hearing what we have gotten for the almost $200 billion we have invested in the ISS, and what exactly we should get for this investment should we do it...as well as how much it should cost, understanding that cost estimates tend to be wildly not correct because our experts tend to suck.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I want/need to be hearing what we have gotten for the almost $200 billion we have invested in the ISS, and what exactly we should get for this investment should we do it...as well as how much it should cost, understanding that cost estimates tend to be wildly not correct because our experts tend to suck.
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Dyam! You talk like a 1960s Liberal. Surprising.

Here ya go, some tech even golf-cheat Trump would appreciate:
https://spinoff.nasa.gov/flyers/ISSspin.html

https://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2011/iss_spinoffs.html
 
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