Unemployment: Obama vs REAGAN (OMG!!)

ib1yysguy

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OK, class, to get at this, we are going to have a pop quiz today, but this should be an easy one, so stop that whining or Phil Gramm will teach this course, you should all get 100%.

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Certainly, as good students of history, you recognize that Reagan did not inherit the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Nor did he inherit two wars, nor the collapse of the automobile industry, nor 8 years of budget profligacy, nor the radical right wing championing (and avoiding service in) another war or two or three. The retirement of the baby-boomers was 25 years in the future, not already ongoing and accelerating.

And, of course, you don't need little Johnny Boehner to tell you that tax rates, even for the wealthiest Americans, are now already 14% lower than Reagan's 1981 tax cut, nor that 95% of Americans received a tax cut in the Obama stimulus, nor that tax rates will still be 10.5% lower for the wealthiest when Obama allows the George W tax cuts to expire, nor that those cuts were intended to expire for the simple reason that they were projected then to cause to big a hole in the deficit.

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Class, I am shocked, shocked, that no one is raising his right hand. So, I'll tell you. Reagan inherited an unemployment rate of 7.6%, no wars, no major financial crisis, a still robust auto industry, a right wing clamoring for increased defense spending (that helps domestic employment), no retiring baby boomers actually taking down social security funds.

To answer the pop quiz: the unemployment rate under Reagan went from 7.6% to 9.7-9.8% in the summer after his inaugural, and remained at that level for two years, before it began to decline in the summer of 1983. In "Obama-time", that would be the equivalent of the summer of 2011. Moreover, the economy did not begin improving until the Spring, 1983, in "Obama-time" that is Spring, 2011.

Surprise question for extra credit: what was Reagan's approval rating in January, 1983, two years into his Presidency? Again, no one raising their right hand except Dickie Cheney and OJ? OK, the correct answer: 35%--an approval rating only Dick Cheney and OJ Simpson would cheer.

Last question for extra credit: what was the unemployment rate when Reagan left office? C'mon boys and girls, you can get this one. Ah, now the right hands go up, but wait, wait, keep them up, it's not SO bad... Here's a hint: the "Reagan revolution" dropped unemployment by 2.1% from start to finish--that's right, you've got it, it was 5.5% when Reagan left office. (Ok, Ok, I know, the first George Bush reversed that too, but, hey, he was only Reagan's heir at the time, we did not yet have the pleasure of knowing him as George W's father, and George W showed us what a real Reagan revolution could mean).


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-abrams/pop-quiz-under-reagan-wha_b_341348.html
 
Poor Ib....his bullshit filled bonehead seems to have exploded and spewed bullshit all over his post.......
the only response that seems appropriate is....SO FUCKIN' WHAT
 
The marginal tax rate of 50% is 14% higher than the modern marginal tax rate. However, the marginal tax rate /= the tax rate. I am tired of hearing people referring to it as the tax rate.

The main reason I hate hearing it is that people claim "Reagan lowered taxes". Yes, he lowered taxes. If you were making an assload of cash. He also lowered the lowest tax bracket by 4%, but that bracket generated shit in income anyway and was a very easy cut. If you were a middle class worker your taxes weren't lowered, and you can bet your ass that these debts are going to be paid for by middle class tax hikes in the future or by spending cuts that hurt middle class families, since god knows it's political suicide these days (thanks to the votes of middle class workers) to do anything to the poor babies in the highest tax bracket.
 
gotta make some lame excuse about why unemployment is 10% under the Hugo Obama, after he claimed the his 800 billion dollars was going to bring it down..suckers
 
And Reagan's economic record was paltry as hell.

The only thing good that came out of Regan's time in office was a decrease in inflation, which would have happened if he had lost anyway.
 
OK, class, to get at this, we are going to have a pop quiz today, but this should be an easy one, so stop that whining or Phil Gramm will teach this course, you should all get 100%.

[...]

Certainly, as good students of history, you recognize that Reagan did not inherit the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Nor did he inherit two wars, nor the collapse of the automobile industry, nor 8 years of budget profligacy, nor the radical right wing championing (and avoiding service in) another war or two or three. The retirement of the baby-boomers was 25 years in the future, not already ongoing and accelerating.

And, of course, you don't need little Johnny Boehner to tell you that tax rates, even for the wealthiest Americans, are now already 14% lower than Reagan's 1981 tax cut, nor that 95% of Americans received a tax cut in the Obama stimulus, nor that tax rates will still be 10.5% lower for the wealthiest when Obama allows the George W tax cuts to expire, nor that those cuts were intended to expire for the simple reason that they were projected then to cause to big a hole in the deficit.

[...]

Class, I am shocked, shocked, that no one is raising his right hand. So, I'll tell you. Reagan inherited an unemployment rate of 7.6%, no wars, no major financial crisis, a still robust auto industry, a right wing clamoring for increased defense spending (that helps domestic employment), no retiring baby boomers actually taking down social security funds.

To answer the pop quiz: the unemployment rate under Reagan went from 7.6% to 9.7-9.8% in the summer after his inaugural, and remained at that level for two years, before it began to decline in the summer of 1983. In "Obama-time", that would be the equivalent of the summer of 2011. Moreover, the economy did not begin improving until the Spring, 1983, in "Obama-time" that is Spring, 2011.

Surprise question for extra credit: what was Reagan's approval rating in January, 1983, two years into his Presidency? Again, no one raising their right hand except Dickie Cheney and OJ? OK, the correct answer: 35%--an approval rating only Dick Cheney and OJ Simpson would cheer.

Last question for extra credit: what was the unemployment rate when Reagan left office? C'mon boys and girls, you can get this one. Ah, now the right hands go up, but wait, wait, keep them up, it's not SO bad... Here's a hint: the "Reagan revolution" dropped unemployment by 2.1% from start to finish--that's right, you've got it, it was 5.5% when Reagan left office. (Ok, Ok, I know, the first George Bush reversed that too, but, hey, he was only Reagan's heir at the time, we did not yet have the pleasure of knowing him as George W's father, and George W showed us what a real Reagan revolution could mean).


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-abrams/pop-quiz-under-reagan-wha_b_341348.html

It should be noted that in the george w bush 8 years, also under the sustained negative influence of 'Supply Side' Economics, the unemployment rate jumped more than 60% from beneath 5% to 8.7%. It is the resulting disaster of the bush presidency and its economy that the RW GOP in its embarrassment, would like the People to forget by hanging it on Obama. The most recent Gallup and Journal surveys show less than 1/3 of the US People buy their gobbledegook, better than 60% placing the blame where it belongs, on the bush gang.
 
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lol cut and paste from huffpo!

hey dumbass, what were interest rates like when Reagan took office?

Starting with an economy at low ebb makes achieving favorable comparisons easier over the course of 8 years. The GOP 'Supply Side' years did not achieve the gains normal in recovery years except to those other than the Lower or Middle Class.
 
Certainly, as good students of history, you recognize that Reagan did not inherit the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.

having experienced both I can tell you the results of the Carter presidency was far worse than the results of the Bush presidency....the uncontrolled double digit inflation still has a negative impact on us today......
 
OK, class, to get at this, we are going to have a pop quiz today, but this should be an easy one, so stop that whining or Phil Gramm will teach this course, you should all get 100%.

[...]

Certainly, as good students of history, you recognize that Reagan did not inherit the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Nor did he inherit two wars, nor the collapse of the automobile industry, nor 8 years of budget profligacy, nor the radical right wing championing (and avoiding service in) another war or two or three. The retirement of the baby-boomers was 25 years in the future, not already ongoing and accelerating.

And, of course, you don't need little Johnny Boehner to tell you that tax rates, even for the wealthiest Americans, are now already 14% lower than Reagan's 1981 tax cut, nor that 95% of Americans received a tax cut in the Obama stimulus, nor that tax rates will still be 10.5% lower for the wealthiest when Obama allows the George W tax cuts to expire, nor that those cuts were intended to expire for the simple reason that they were projected then to cause to big a hole in the deficit.

[...]

Class, I am shocked, shocked, that no one is raising his right hand. So, I'll tell you. Reagan inherited an unemployment rate of 7.6%, no wars, no major financial crisis, a still robust auto industry, a right wing clamoring for increased defense spending (that helps domestic employment), no retiring baby boomers actually taking down social security funds.

To answer the pop quiz: the unemployment rate under Reagan went from 7.6% to 9.7-9.8% in the summer after his inaugural, and remained at that level for two years, before it began to decline in the summer of 1983. In "Obama-time", that would be the equivalent of the summer of 2011. Moreover, the economy did not begin improving until the Spring, 1983, in "Obama-time" that is Spring, 2011.

Surprise question for extra credit: what was Reagan's approval rating in January, 1983, two years into his Presidency? Again, no one raising their right hand except Dickie Cheney and OJ? OK, the correct answer: 35%--an approval rating only Dick Cheney and OJ Simpson would cheer.

Last question for extra credit: what was the unemployment rate when Reagan left office? C'mon boys and girls, you can get this one. Ah, now the right hands go up, but wait, wait, keep them up, it's not SO bad... Here's a hint: the "Reagan revolution" dropped unemployment by 2.1% from start to finish--that's right, you've got it, it was 5.5% when Reagan left office. (Ok, Ok, I know, the first George Bush reversed that too, but, hey, he was only Reagan's heir at the time, we did not yet have the pleasure of knowing him as George W's father, and George W showed us what a real Reagan revolution could mean).


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-abrams/pop-quiz-under-reagan-wha_b_341348.html

Wow... I really didn't think anyone could top the stupidity of Desh's post yesterday. But congrats! You managed to do so.

1) No financial crisis for Reagan? So the insanely high inflation rates, the economy teetering on a recession when he entered office (the economy did subsequently go into recession)... those didn't really happen?

2) a Robust auto industry? LMAO... what exactly was robust about it? The fact that it made monster cars with insanely low fuel efficiency?

3) Cold War... yeah... nothing really to that.

4) Approval rating? You cherry picked his all time low approval rating? LMAO... ok... now what was it in early November of 1984... you know... when he annihilated Mondale in the election?

5) Unemployment rate? It was on the rise as Reagan took office. The economy was slipping into a recession due to the insane inflationary environment. Volcker eventually got a handle on it, but he knew we had to go through some pain before that would occur. Hence the recession.

No question that Obama inherited a horrid economy, but the comparisons to Reagan are moronic.
 
what equally funny is that the libtards love them some Mondale, and he got summarily crushed like the tool he was.
Also, D- on economics for one of the few liberals who wouldn't get an F in an actual economics class.
 
Wow... I really didn't think anyone could top the stupidity of Desh's post yesterday. But congrats! You managed to do so.

1) No financial crisis for Reagan? So the insanely high inflation rates, the economy teetering on a recession when he entered office (the economy did subsequently go into recession)... those didn't really happen?

2) a Robust auto industry? LMAO... what exactly was robust about it? The fact that it made monster cars with insanely low fuel efficiency?

3) Cold War... yeah... nothing really to that.

4) Approval rating? You cherry picked his all time low approval rating? LMAO... ok... now what was it in early November of 1984... you know... when he annihilated Mondale in the election?

5) Unemployment rate? It was on the rise as Reagan took office. The economy was slipping into a recession due to the insane inflationary environment. Volcker eventually got a handle on it, but he knew we had to go through some pain before that would occur. Hence the recession.

No question that Obama inherited a horrid economy, but the comparisons to Reagan are moronic.

The economy "teetering on a recession". I would hardly use that phrase to describe what Obama found that bush left the country ten months ago. Reagan used Keynesian defense spending to spur the economy in a concentrated direction as well as unheard of deficits in that time.
Check out unemployment numbers through the Reagan terms and, in addition, see the progress US wage earners failed to make during those years as has been consistent in most GOP Supply Side years since.
 
what equally funny is that the libtards love them some Mondale, and he got summarily crushed like the tool he was.
Also, D- on economics for one of the few liberals who wouldn't get an F in an actual economics class.



....and your economics expertise is from??? Just curious, you seem to be often fixated on how poorly anybody, with whom you disagree, has done in Economics classes.
 
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....and your economics expertise is???

Vast enough to know that the overwhelming majority of dems are clueless about it.
When they know anything past remedial, this is what you get. Unemployment, the median wage yada yad....

As if coprs are not responsible for the economic gains.
 
Well Topper, there is no fighting the fact that the median wage grew 1/3 between 1980 and now that it grew in the proceeding 30 year period. There's nothing that has ever happened to the average American worse than the Reagan presidency. If corporate additions to our wealth are so anemic when we produce a pro middle-class workers economic policy, then why didn't the economy shrivel up and die in 50's?
 
Well Topper, there is no fighting the fact that the median wage grew 1/3 between 1980 and now that it grew between the proceeding 30 year period. There's nothing that has ever happened to the average American worse than the Reagan presidency.

And Waterburger flipper chimes in with the typical I have no fucking clue about economics.
Here's a freebee for ya.

Please check the number of new rich under Reagan, then check a random selection of pimple faced sophmores who work with you.
Ask them, the ones going to college with you how many want to stay poor vs getting rich.
Too easy, these sites should not allow unarmed democrats to talk economics.
 
And Waterburger flipper chimes in with the typical I have no fucking clue about economics.
Here's a freebee for ya.

Please check the number of new rich under Reagan, then check a random selection of pimple faced sophmores who work with you.
Ask them, the ones going to college with you how many want to stay poor vs getting rich.
Too easy, these sites should not allow unarmed democrats to talk economics.

I did not combat the fact that the rich have done very, very well under Reagan, and that the top 1% or so make salaries that used to be reserved for the top 0.1%. What I did say is that this incredible growth in wealth for the rich and the corporations came from somewhere. Reaganism brought the rich up by bringing the rest of us down. It punished the wage-earner to feed the wage-keeper.
 
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