Universities should ditch this rotten legacy

TOP said:
How so? (Taxpayers responsible)
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Who funds state schools?

All of us went to private schools, so I don't know the ins and outs.

The Army paid for two years of state school for my son, but he got his baccalaureate from a private school
like the rest of us.
 
BidenPresident said:
Harvard’s legacy admissions policy, which has received heavy scrutiny during and after the Supreme Court’s recent affirmative action case, shows why the status quo is unsustainable. Roughly 70 percent of Harvard’s legacy admits are White, and more than 40 percent of White undergraduates admitted to the university between 2009 and 2014 were legacies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/05/legacy-admissions-ivy-league-fairness/
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So what? What the hell is the problem with any of this?
It's not the responsibility of private schools to be populist and egalitarian...or even fair.
Public universities have that obligation. The people fund them, not the wealthy alumni.
Private means private, however.
 
The Legacy Dilemma: What to Do About Privileges for the Privileged?

President Biden last month instructed the Education Department to examine how to improve diversity in admissions, including “what practices hold that back, practices like legacy admissions and other systems that expand privilege instead of opportunity.” Harvard’s legacy admissions policy, which gives preference to the children of both alumni and donors, now faces a civil rights investigation after a complaint from liberal groups.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/30/us/politics/legacy-admissions-college-alumni.html
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Who funds state schools?

All of us went to private schools, so I don't know the ins and outs.

The Army paid for two years of state school for my son, but he got his baccalaureate from a private school
like the rest of us.
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I'm ok with that...I doubt that legacy has too much to do when it comes to public school admission...
Did the Army not contribute to the private school? Just curious...
 
BidenPresident said:
The movement to end legacy admissions — preferences some universities give to the children of alumni — is having a moment.

Good. With rising populist outrage toward experts and elites, universities should have long ago ended admissions practices that appear to promote hereditary privilege. Yet a Post analysis found that more than 100 selective schools, including all eight Ivy League institutions, still practice legacy admissions.

Now that the Supreme Court has banned universities from engaging in race-conscious admissions — in a case targeting Harvard, which offers legacy preferences — legacy policies threaten even more the legitimacy of institutions that claim to promote admissions based on merit and to value diversity.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/05/legacy-admissions-ivy-league-fairness/
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Private schools need the money. But they shouldn't receive a dime of federal money when they have blatant racist policies to prevent certain well qualified students from admission.
 
TOP said:
I'm ok with that...I doubt that legacy has too much to do when it comes to public school admission...
Did the Army not contribute to the private school? Just curious...
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Nope. At least not as I recall. Blessedly, direct inheritance from my parents contributed meaningfully to my kids' education.
The Army did pay entirely for the first two years of my son's, however, at least in terms of tuition.
I was more than happy to spring for books.
 
BidenPresident said:
I don't really give a shit about affirmative action.
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But you brought it up in the OP by citing a article that wanted to do away with legacy admissions in favor of "diversity" (aka affirmative action). So, did you change your mind and now renounce the article you originally cited, or is this just another deflection on your part?
 
BidenPresident said:
President Biden last month instructed the Education Department to examine how to improve diversity in admissions, including “what practices hold that back, practices like legacy admissions and other systems that expand privilege instead of opportunity.” Harvard’s legacy admissions policy, which gives preference to the children of both alumni and donors, now faces a civil rights investigation after a complaint from liberal groups.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/30/us/politics/legacy-admissions-college-alumni.html
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So, what Biden is saying is universities should adopt bigoted and racist admissions policies over ones that favor past students having their children accepted more readily... Good to know our current president is a bigot racist...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
So, what Biden is saying is universities should adopt bigoted and racist admissions policies over ones that favor past students having their children accepted more readily... Good to know our current president is a bigot racist...
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Tell me, TAG, do you think that Biden sucks as a president?

I don't think that he's the best either.

His opponent, however, was an incumbent Donald the Pigfucking Orangutan Trump.

Voting for a Biden that I didn't like very much
was one of the easiest decisions that I've made in my entire life.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Tell me, TAG, do you think that Biden sucks as a president?
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Figuratively? Yes, Biden sucks harder than a Kirby vacuum cleaner. Literally? No, I don't think Biden sucks cock, he likes little girls too much.

I don't think that he's the best either.
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He's demonstrably the worst modern US president in history. He polls worse than Trump. I know, that's hard to believe, but it's true. He polls worse than Carter the previous holder of that dubious title.

His opponent, however, was an incumbent Donald the Pigfucking Orangutan Trump.

Voting for a Biden that I didn't like very much
was one of the easiest decisions that I've made in my entire life.
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And likely as much a mistake as anything...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It's a simple question. Do you favor "diversity"--defined as race and gender-- based admissions to universities over legacy based ones?
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"legacy" is race based, but it is the game people play to pretend it is not.

We have a hundred of year of 'white only need apply', then when that is ended they move to 'legacy preference' and say it is ok as it is not race based. But it is, for all intents and purposes, as the legacy pool was almost 100% white males.

That is the game played by the Supreme Court and others to protect prior privilege and to ensure generations more advantage to the white people while pretending they are fixing race based discrimination.

It has been shown that white applicants due to legacy and/or wealth get accepted at top universities far more than PoC even when the latter has the same or superior grades and qualifications.
 
BidenPresident said:
The movement to end legacy admissions — preferences some universities give to the children of alumni — is having a moment.

Good. With rising populist outrage toward experts and elites, universities should have long ago ended admissions practices that appear to promote hereditary privilege. Yet a Post analysis found that more than 100 selective schools, including all eight Ivy League institutions, still practice legacy admissions.

Now that the Supreme Court has banned universities from engaging in race-conscious admissions — in a case targeting Harvard, which offers legacy preferences — legacy policies threaten even more the legitimacy of institutions that claim to promote admissions based on merit and to value diversity.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/05/legacy-admissions-ivy-league-fairness/
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You're just mad that you never did anything and can't get your kids into college on a legacy admission.

Stop fucking with other people and worry about yourself.
 
BidenPresident said:
The movement to end legacy admissions — preferences some universities give to the children of alumni — is having a moment.

Good. With rising populist outrage toward experts and elites, universities should have long ago ended admissions practices that appear to promote hereditary privilege. Yet a Post analysis found that more than 100 selective schools, including all eight Ivy League institutions, still practice legacy admissions.

Now that the Supreme Court has banned universities from engaging in race-conscious admissions — in a case targeting Harvard, which offers legacy preferences — legacy policies threaten even more the legitimacy of institutions that claim to promote admissions based on merit and to value diversity.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/05/legacy-admissions-ivy-league-fairness/
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"With rising populist outrage toward experts and elites..." Does that include you? Which "experts" and "elites" are you outraged at?
 
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