Unvaccinated People Likely to Catch COVID Repeatedly: Open thread

[Into the Night]

Again, the Church of Covid has constructed a private thread for themselves to chant in. Bringing this thread out into the open for all to discuss. Someday these idiots will learn that censorship doesn't work.

Opening Piece from original thread:

"The risk of COVID-19 reinfection is about 5% at three months, which jumps to 50% after 17 months, the research team found. Reinfection could become increasingly common as immunity wanes and new variants develop, they said.

""We tend to think about immunity as being immune or not immune. Our study cautions that we instead should be more focused on the risk of reinfection through time," Alex Dornburg, senior study author and assistant professor of bioinformatics and genomics at UNC, said in the statement.

""As new variants arise, previous immune responses become less effective at combating the virus," he said. "Those who were naturally infected early in the pandemic are increasingly likely to become reinfected in the near future.""

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/961487

Like usual, quoting from some random magazine as if it were the Gospel Truth.
Once one has been infected from any virus and recovered, you are immune to that virus for the rest of your life.

Colds are 'common' because there are thousands of variants of the rhinovirus series. Once you catch one of them and recover, you cannot catch that particular variant again.

 

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The preliminary evidence for this was coming in months ago. There were places in Brazil that had 80% infection rates, and yet were having another wave of Covid-19. We are now moving from it being "possible" to get Covid-19 multiple times to it being "likely".

It appears unvaccinated people will get Covid-19 once or twice a year, and the damage done by it will be cumulative. So the first time you might not even notice it, the second time it is bad, the third time it is life threatening, and the fourth time it kills you.

There will definitely be a lot of dead trump supporters next election.

This is just wishful thinking. In addition to just making shit up, he is hoping Trump supporters will die before the next election. Sick.

 

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Until/unless they do comprehensive tests to check longevity of the antibodies after catching Covid, we can't move forward in the quest to get the morons vaccinated.

There are too many non peer reviewed 'studies' that are giving Right Wing media fodder for conspiracies about the lack of need for vaccination.

The Quest is based on a paradox I call Paradox V. Here he is arguing for vaccine mandates. He is admitting that his own vaccine must not work as a result...so he wants everyone to get one. He is literally trying to argue both sides of a paradox. Irrational.

 

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Maybe in the next election all of the Trump supporters will either be in an ICU or the morgue

The hatred of these people know no bounds.

 

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Not all, but several million more trump voters will be dead. More Biden voters turn 18 than die, so there will be more Biden voters. trump voters are not just dying from not being vaccinated, but also from all the other alt right health mistakes they make. This is a long term political loser for them.

More hatred. This is where TDS has brought them.

 

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Hello ThatOwlWoman,



Everyone needs to get vaccinated.

That is how we get out of this.

The hold-outs are holding everything up, holding up the end of this pandemic.

The hold-outs are making it last longer, costing us more lives.

Get vaccinated.

Show some bravery. Face the risk. It is smart because the risk of being a hold-out is a greater risk. Even if you don't get it or don't die, you pass it on to others who might die. Hold-outs risk killing people. Death is the risk of being a hold-out. It is time to do the right thing and get the jab.

We all did it. We need you to do it, too.

Do it for America.

THIS.

This is what you can do for your country.

Get vaccinated.

A classic Paradox V. There is nothing 'patriotic' about supporting unconstitutional mandates or being irrational.

 

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Getting control of the pandemic is becoming a matter of attrition.

The unvaccinated are not likely to willingly change their minds; but we need more people to get vaccinated in order to get control.

Logically, that means people are going to have to be forced to get vaccinated.

We will have to institute more vaccine mandates.

Work-related vaccine mandates, school-attendance vaccine mandates and public function entry-related vaccine mandates.

Vaccine passports are in our future.

It is the only way.

One by one we have to force people to get vaccinated.

We began by offering for people to do this voluntarily. We laid out the science and the reasoning. Most people accepted that. But some have not. Now, we are going to have to move beyond voluntary. It is going to have to be required to do things.

There should be a vaccine mandate to fly or use any public transportation. Even going to the airport at all. Everyone at every airport needs to be vaccinated. All the workers. All the passengers. All the people just there to pick someone up or see them off.

Any public gathering needs to require proof of vaccination.

Bars and restaurants. Stores and shops. Libraries, Schools, Concerts, Football games. Everything.

It is foolish for us to pretend we can gather safely without required vaccinations. And even then, we must still wear masks and keep as much distance as possible.

If we do all this we can beat it.

We need to beat it and get our world back.

We can do this together.

It is the only way.

Again, Paradox V. This is now being combined with Paradox M. He wants everyone to wear a mask because his own doesn't work.

The other argument about mandating masks of course is that it stops an infected person from infecting anyone else if the infected person wears a mask (it doesn't). That is only admitting that the only reason they are wearing a mask is because THEY ARE INFECTED.

Both paradoxes are Paradox M. It is irrational to argue for mandated masks.

 

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Hello Walt,



Well, there have been over 500 police killed by corona. Most of them are Trump voters. And still they hold out from getting protected.

Shoot. If they were dying at this rate from gunfire they would be protesting and speaking out in objection to the risk. But this was made political by Trump, so they are dying for him.

One thing is for certain. It makes no sense at all to have unvaccinated police spreading the virus in public. We need to have all police vaccinated for public safety.

Everyone who interfaces with the public needs to be forced to get vaccinated or go crawl in a hole and stop working.

We have to shut the virus down.

This never should have been made political.

It is irresponsible of the Trump party to oppose vaccination. That is the same as pro-death.

Here several numbers are just made up out of thick air. A fallacy in itself.
He also completely fails to account for the number of police, firefighters, nurses, doctors, and many others that have quit their jobs because of vaccine and mask mandates.

He also completely fails to account for the fact that these people are finding jobs in their chosen profession in free States, where mandatory vaccines and masks are not required.

Who is John Galt?

 

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Our proof of vaccination card is effectively a passport

Here, Katz actually admits a truth. The purpose of vaccination is not about immunity, it's about creating 2nd class citizens among those not getting vaccinated.

In other words, it's politics...and fascism. Katz claims to be one of the 'elite'.

 

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It is insane that Republicans are now the pro-virus party.

Walt obviously feels that no having a vaccination causes infection. An idiotic position if there ever was one.

 

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Cheating in elections is why republicans can retain power when they don’t have the majority of voters

This is a common chant from evince (and his socks). It is an assumption of victory fallacy. It also ignores that Presidents are not elected by popular vote. Again, he shows his denial of the Constitution of the United States.

 

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It does. We got our boosters at Meijer pharmacy last week. We were talking about vaccine reluctance with the pharmacy tech. He said they had a large jump in vaccine appts. once the Pfizer was officially authorized. He said that he believed it was because of its prior "experimental" status and once that was removed, they got the vaccine. Overall, for ages 12 through adult, our vax rate is ~60%.

This is another variation of Paradox V. The Booster argument. The vaccine doesn't work, so get ANOTHER shot of it! Again, it is because they are only admitting their own vaccine (with boosters) doesn't work.

 

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The republicans lie and say individual Americans try to vote more than once



The courts say the Republican Party cheats in elections by keeping individual Americans from voting

And now evince pivots to another favorite chant. Republicans, of course, are not blocking anyone from making a legal vote.

 

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Do you remember when this first began, the Reichwingers were all "Hahaha, it's just blue states where everyone is dying." Well, not anymore. Per Worldometer.info, out of the top 20 states ranked by number of dead, only six are "blue" states. The rest -- 14 -- are "red" states.

Here a list of random numbers used as data (argument from randU fallacy).
It is unknown how many are infected with covid19.
None have died from covid19. This virus does not kill. All the 'covid deaths' are from something else...anything from pneumonia to cancer to heart disease to falling off a ladder.

 

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https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/05/politics/black-voting-rights-suppression-timeline/




A timeline of new and old efforts to limit the political power of Black Americans and other voters of color

Analysis by Brandon Tensley, CNN

Typical evince chant....this time using CNN, of all places, and an absolute authority.

 

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This is the point where one of the deniers will show up and declare that the CDC is a bunch of biased know-nothing scientists parroting the party line, whatever that is.

An odd statement, considering that it was made in the kiddie pool.

 

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Yep. The anti-science dimwits

There's that magick word again 'sCiEncE'

Science, which is a set of falsifiable theories and nothing more, has nothing to do with any of this conversation.

 

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This forum is open. Anyone may reply or post here. I do not believe in censorship lists.

 

[domer76]

Stupid fuck doesn’t comprehend what ‘ignore’ means.

 

[Hoosier Daddy]

Again, the Church of Covid has constructed a private thread for themselves to chant in. Bringing this thread out into the open for all to discuss. Someday these idiots will learn that censorship doesn't work.

Opening Piece from original thread:




Like usual, quoting from some random magazine as if it were the Gospel Truth.
Once one has been infected from any virus and recovered, you are immune to that virus for the rest of your life.

Colds are 'common' because there are thousands of variants of the rhinovirus series. Once you catch one of them and recover, you cannot catch that particular variant again.

you just proved you are a dumbass, which is easy, which is why you could do it. THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE TYPE OF COVID, DUMBFUCK. so if you get infected by one, according to you, you can still get the various others.

The SIG Variant classification scheme defines four classes of SARS-CoV-2 variants:
Variant Being Monitored (VBM)
Alpha (B.1.1.7 and Q lineages)
Beta (B.1.351 and descendent lineages)
Gamma (P.1 and descendent lineages)
Epsilon (B.1.427 and B.1.429)
Eta (B.1.525)
Iota (B.1.526)
Kappa (B.1.617.1)
1.617.3
Mu (B.1.621, B.1.621.1)
Zeta (P.2)
Variant of Interest (VOI)
Variant of Concern (VOC)
Delta (B.1.617.2 and AY lineages)
Variant of High Consequence (VOHC)
To date, no variants of high consequence have been identified in the United States.