US falls to average in education ranking

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The three-yearly OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) report, which compares the knowledge and skills of 15-year-olds in 70 countries around the world, ranked the United States 14th out of 34 OECD countries for reading skills, 17th for science and a below-average 25th for mathematics.

We are becoming a nation of dumbasses, we need to invest more money into our educational system or we will become a big third world toilet, complete with abject poverty too!

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No Sh*t?!
 
Yes, more money is the answer.

Reinventing the loser is the answer. For years you have lived with the nonsense that children must not lose. You have invented phrases such as 'first runner up' (basically you lost), 'second runner up' (you really lost), and 'third runner up' (you need help to pick your own nose).
Your exams are designed to be passed by trained rabbits all in the name of equality and 'being niceness'. That must cease. Uniforms should be introduced at every school. Discipline should be enforced properly - where else in the world do schools have police??? You need widespread parental education and punishment of parents of wayward children.
Money is not the answer although without it dothing much can be done.
A new mindset is the answer so all you have to do is find someone with a mind!
 
Reinventing the loser is the answer. For years you have lived with the nonsense that children must not lose. You have invented phrases such as 'first runner up' (basically you lost), 'second runner up' (you really lost), and 'third runner up' (you need help to pick your own nose).
Your exams are designed to be passed by trained rabbits all in the name of equality and 'being niceness'. That must cease. Uniforms should be introduced at every school. Discipline should be enforced properly - where else in the world do schools have police??? You need widespread parental education and punishment of parents of wayward children.
Money is not the answer although without it dothing much can be done.
A new mindset is the answer so all you have to do is find someone with a mind!

I was being facetious with the more money response. For years all we've heard as a response to our school challenges is 'we need more money'. I agree with you in that we need to change the status quo. We need to try things differently such as you mentioned. The big challenge here is there is such an entrenched bureaucracy that will fight and resist all change.
 
1. What did you expect with "progressives" having a death grip around the neck of our education system?
2. The "No Child Left Behind Act", which you seem to have nothing but disdain for, was penned primarily by Ted Kennedy at the behest of George Bush.
3. A personal anecdote from my own school daze: The eighth grade was the most difficult year for me. We had moved to a bad suburb of Washinton D.C., and the schools had a (well deserved) sinister reputation. My parents enrolled my sister and I in a local Catholic school. BIG culture shock after 7 years of public school! I immediately fell far behind. By the end of the year, I was not at the top of the list or anything like that, but I was doing above average work and it was actually interesting and challenging. It was absolutely amazing what a stereotypical rap on the knuckles with a ruler or an open-handed slap in the back of the head by a bride of Christ can accomplish. Try something like that in a classroom today and you find yourself in jail. BTW, I look back on that year with nothing but love and respect for those educators. They taught me discipline and, oddly enough, respect for myself and my capabilities.
 
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1. What did you expect with "progressives" having a death grip around the neck of our education system?
2. The "No Child Left Behind Act", which you seem to have nothing but disdain for, was penned primarily by Ted Kennedy at the behest of George Bush.
3. A personal anecdote from my own school daze: The eighth grade was the most difficult year for me. We had moved to a bad suburb of Washinton D.C., and the schools had a (well deserved) sinister reputation. My parents enrolled my sister and I in a local Catholic school. BIG culture shock after 7 years of public school! I immediately fell far behind. By the end of the year, I was not at the top of the list or anything like that, but I was doing above average work and it was actually interesting and challenging. It was absolutely amazing what a stereotypical rap on the knuckles with a ruler or an open-handed slap in the back of the head by a bride of Christ can accomplish. Try something like that in a classroom today and you find yourself in jail. BTW, I look back on that year with nothing but love and respect for those educators. They taught me discipline and, oddly enough, respect for myself and my capabilities.

The best part was playing Hide the Salami with the priest?
 
1. What did you expect with "progressives" having a death grip around the neck of our education system?
2. The "No Child Left Behind Act", which you seem to have nothing but disdain for, was penned primarily by Ted Kennedy at the behest of George Bush.

"No Child Left Behind" was made to tell the world that if you can get into this country (illegally), tax payers will pay for your kids education, and you'll be on your way to welfare benefits.
 
Reinventing the loser is the answer. For years you have lived with the nonsense that children must not lose. You have invented phrases such as 'first runner up' (basically you lost), 'second runner up' (you really lost), and 'third runner up' (you need help to pick your own nose).
Your exams are designed to be passed by trained rabbits all in the name of equality and 'being niceness'. That must cease. Uniforms should be introduced at every school. Discipline should be enforced properly - where else in the world do schools have police??? You need widespread parental education and punishment of parents of wayward children.
Money is not the answer although without it dothing much can be done.
A new mindset is the answer so all you have to do is find someone with a mind!

not in colleges - when i took advanced math (even intermediate) there was no gentleman's "C" - you made the grade or you dropped out and changed majors and according to my granddaughter that is the way it is now, then there is "O" chemistry
 
We are becoming a nation of dumbasses, we need to invest more money into our educational system or we will become a big third world toilet, complete with abject poverty too!

Guess you have never been to Los Angeles, we already are a 3rd world toilet, but the democrats are happy to let all the illegals in.
 
Reinventing the loser is the answer. For years you have lived with the nonsense that children must not lose. You have invented phrases such as 'first runner up' (basically you lost), 'second runner up' (you really lost), and 'third runner up' (you need help to pick your own nose).
Your exams are designed to be passed by trained rabbits all in the name of equality and 'being niceness'. That must cease. Uniforms should be introduced at every school. Discipline should be enforced properly - where else in the world do schools have police??? You need widespread parental education and punishment of parents of wayward children.
Money is not the answer although without it dothing much can be done.
A new mindset is the answer so all you have to do is find someone with a mind!

And it's the conservatives who rail against that nonsense. The american liberals are to blame for softening our children and removing failure from the possible results. We agree on this
 
And it's the conservatives who rail against that nonsense. The american liberals are to blame for softening our children and removing failure from the possible results. We agree on this

and the cons want to teach jesus in the classrooms wasting more time and money
 
And it's the conservatives who rail against that nonsense. The american liberals are to blame for softening our children and removing failure from the possible results. We agree on this

Well now you've done it! The fastest way to get Low to change positions is to tell him he has taken an American conservative one!
 
Well now you've done it! The fastest way to get Low to change positions is to tell him he has taken an American conservative one!

Not at all. I have always maintained that, in the UK at least, the sixties do-gooders had a lot to answer for. Obviously the American meaning of 'liberal' does not apply.
Many parents are now turning to religious schools in an attempt to bring more discipline into their childrens lives. That is bad. That move is beginning to waken the politicians - of all hues - to the dangers we have built into the system.
The only difference that I can see between the US and the UK education system is that you are a bloody sight worse.
In HK ALL children wear uniforms and all children have instilled into them the need for good behaviour and diligence. (it doesn't always work of course). This is easy to do when many parents and grandparents were denied an education under the Chinese communist system and truly appreciate the value of it to their own offspring. School teachers receive complaints that they do not set enough homework if they slip below the rough average of 3 hours per night and children are expected to attend several extra mural activities without which they will have less chance of progress to the next level. My grandson is now learning French, Spanish, Putonghua, Cantonese and dabbling in Turkish. He is also in the drama group and wants to join the choir. His sister does Cross Country running, Drama and volley ball as extra activities - but she is lazy!! He is ten years old, she is twelve!
Their maths, however, is crap! but so is mine!
 
Not at all. I have always maintained that, in the UK at least, the sixties do-gooders had a lot to answer for. Obviously the American meaning of 'liberal' does not apply.
Many parents are now turning to religious schools in an attempt to bring more discipline into their childrens lives. That is bad. That move is beginning to waken the politicians - of all hues - to the dangers we have built into the system.
The only difference that I can see between the US and the UK education system is that you are a bloody sight worse.
In HK ALL children wear uniforms and all children have instilled into them the need for good behaviour and diligence. (it doesn't always work of course). This is easy to do when many parents and grandparents were denied an education under the Chinese communist system and truly appreciate the value of it to their own offspring. School teachers receive complaints that they do not set enough homework if they slip below the rough average of 3 hours per night and children are expected to attend several extra mural activities without which they will have less chance of progress to the next level. My grandson is now learning French, Spanish, Putonghua, Cantonese and dabbling in Turkish. He is also in the drama group and wants to join the choir. His sister does Cross Country running, Drama and volley ball as extra activities - but she is lazy!! He is ten years old, she is twelve!
Their maths, however, is crap! but so is mine!

Our public system is controlled by one of our strongest unions. You cannot fire a bad teacher; teachers cannot discipline an unruly student. The curricula is a one size fits all and that size is mediocre at best. The fact is there can be no real change because the fox are in charge of the hen house.

I believe that allowing the money to follow the student no matter where the parent chooses to send them, would solve our education systems number one stumbling block towards real reform and improvement-union monopoly! Make schools compete for students based on results.

You are crappy at math? I thought you were a financial investor guy?
 
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