US Malls Are Dying and There May Be Just 150 Left in 10 Years

floridafan said:
Thats always the case when you live in a slum.
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is this what your slum looks like?.....
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T. A. Gardner said:
Public transit doesn't work in low density cities of the sort that populate the US. They work better in high density, compact cities like you find in Asia. In the US public transit is for those that can't afford a car. It's a poor man's choice when there is no other choice. It is inefficient, slow, cumbersome, and time consuming to use. That makes it near worthless to the average person.
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Public transit works best in cities that are too crowded to easily get around in cars and owning one is a bigger expense and pain in the ass than it's worth.

And when you have to pay through the nose every month just to keep a car parked in a garage, it's not necessarily because you're poor, it's just a matter of seeing the high cost vs the low benefit.

Why own a car when you've got efficient trains with stations every couple of blocks?
 
Nomad said:
Public transit works best in cities that are too crowded to easily get around in cars and owning one is a bigger expense and pain in the ass than it's worth.

And when you have to pay through the nose every month just to keep a car parked in a garage, it's not necessarily because you're poor, it's just a matter of seeing the high cost vs the low benefit.

Why own a car when you've got efficient trains with stations every couple of blocks?
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I pretty much said that. But that said, that sort of city isn't happening in the US anytime soon, like not in the next century at least. So, those pushing mass transit are just insanos who are so deluded by their dreams that they can't see reality.

Here's a case in Phoenix of the utter irony of this thread. The city of Phoenix is expanding their light fail network right now in two areas.

The first is a line that terminates at what used to be the Metrocenter mall in North Phoenix. The mall is closed. It's a derelict abandoned monument to the 70's. The second line is running south out of downtown into an area that is completely and nothing but industrial parks and other manufacturing and like businesses. Not a house in sight within a mile of the line. Why is the city doing this?
My guess, and it's just that looking at a map of the area, is the city thinks it can rezone then revitalize the area as an upscale water feature along the lines of Tempe's Town Lake. The got Pete Buttplug to cough up like 10 million to put a footbridge across the Rio Salado in that area that goes between heavy industry and a large light industrial park. The only way that makes sense is if those are rezoned into high-rise business parks and expensive condos and apartments.

It's a case of If we build it, they will come. If they won't come, we will force them to come!
 
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T. A. Gardner said:
I pretty much said that. But that said, that sort of city isn't happening in the US anytime soon, like not in the next century at least. So, those pushing mass transit are just insanos who are so deluded by their dreams that they can't see reality.
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15 minute cities can be deployed likity split....we know how to build fences and survallance.

That is what the overlords have planned for us.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I pretty much said that. But that said, that sort of city isn't happening in the US anytime soon, like not in the next century at least. So, those pushing mass transit are just insanos who are so deluded by their dreams that they can't see reality.
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If you'll go back and actually READ what I said, it would be apparent to you that I was talking about large cities where EXISTING mass transit systems have been operating efficiently, successfully and profitably for decades.

NYC, Boston, Chicago, Atlanta, SF....

Certainly newer and more spread out Sun Belt cities that have grown up around the idea that the automobile would forever be the best or only way to get around, face challenges switching over to rail based mass transit, but any worthwhile changes of this type, always have to start somewhere.

Assuming that the country and the world will still be around 100 or 200 years from now, these new rail based systems or some futuristic version of them like Maglev or God only knows what technology might exist by then, will be entrenched and widely used parts of the everyday lives of the residents and commuters there.


T. A. Gardner said:
Here's a case in Phoenix of the utter irony of this thread. The city of Phoenix is expanding their light fail network right now in two areas.

The first is a line that terminates at what used to be the Metrocenter mall in North Phoenix. The mall is closed. It's a derelict abandoned monument to the 70's. The second line is running south out of downtown into an area that is completely and nothing but industrial parks and other manufacturing and like businesses. Not a house in sight within a mile of the line. Why is the city doing this?

My guess, and it's just that looking at a map of the area, is the city thinks it can rezone then revitalize the area as an upscale water feature along the lines of Tempe's Town Lake. The got Pete Buttplug to cough up like 10 million to put a footbridge across the Rio Salado in that area that goes between heavy industry and a large light industrial park. The only way that makes sense is if those are rezoned into high-rise business parks and expensive condos and apartments.
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A lot of metro areas are figuring out ways to repurpose dead malls for residential and other uses. Who are we to say it's a waste of time and resources?

Same with industrial areas. There are plenty of success stories of repurposed warehouse districts in cities all over the country. As they increase in popularity it only makes sense to include them in any plans to expand mass transit and reduce dependence on individual automobiles.

T. A. Gardner said:
It's a case of If we build it, they will come. If they won't come, we will force them to come!
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Sounds like just more of the same old right-wing, anti-gub'mint sour grapes.

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