US Should Dump NATO, and the UN

What can NATO do for us?

They lack the ability (and in some cases the willingness) to defend our interests. They don't appear to have the capability to even defend themselves, either.

The only benefit I can see is the siting of forward air bases and port facilities, and some of the member nations have been less than enthusiastic (to put it mildly) about that.

What can the UN do for us?

I can't think of a single thing.
 
Grokmaster said:
Fuck the Eurosleaze; they need us a helluva lot more than we need them, and they consistently fall short of their duty.

Their current refusal to assist at Gulf of Hormuz is just the latest example, and they need the Straight open far more than we do,

Fuck 'em; the UN , too.

Let them defend themselves.


America should withdraw from NATO immediately​

Trump’s “Board of Peace” might sound ridiculous, and perhaps it is. But it’s no more ridiculous than claiming NATO is a board of peace.

That phrase now circulates in respectable company, with a straight face, as though repetition alone could make it true. It cannot. NATO was not born as a peace club, but as a military alliance with a narrow defensive purpose — specifically, to prevent the Soviet Union from rolling tanks across Western Europe.


It was a disciplined arrangement built on deterrence, limits and defined aims. It worked because it knew what it was — and what it was not.

That NATO is gone.

The Cold War ended. The Warsaw Pact dissolved. The Soviet Union collapsed. Rather than declare victory and stand down, NATO did the opposite. It expanded. It moralized. It wandered, a defensive pact without a clear enemy. Like most institutions that outlive their purpose and go looking for relevance, it found trouble instead.



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NATO is an extension of US power, it would be foolish to "dump" them.
 
Grokmaster said:
Fuck the Eurosleaze; they need us a helluva lot more than we need them, and they consistently fall short of their duty.

Their current refusal to assist at Gulf of Hormuz is just the latest example, and they need the Straight open far more than we do,

Fuck 'em; the UN , too.

Let them defend themselves.


America should withdraw from NATO immediately​

Trump’s “Board of Peace” might sound ridiculous, and perhaps it is. But it’s no more ridiculous than claiming NATO is a board of peace.

That phrase now circulates in respectable company, with a straight face, as though repetition alone could make it true. It cannot. NATO was not born as a peace club, but as a military alliance with a narrow defensive purpose — specifically, to prevent the Soviet Union from rolling tanks across Western Europe.


It was a disciplined arrangement built on deterrence, limits and defined aims. It worked because it knew what it was — and what it was not.

That NATO is gone.

The Cold War ended. The Warsaw Pact dissolved. The Soviet Union collapsed. Rather than declare victory and stand down, NATO did the opposite. It expanded. It moralized. It wandered, a defensive pact without a clear enemy. Like most institutions that outlive their purpose and go looking for relevance, it found trouble instead.



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I wholeheartedly agree with you on dumping NATO and the UN that is currently being run by Islamists. NATO nations are currently allowing Islamists to virtually run their dying nations. Somehow, Trump got up to 30 Mideast nations to come to their senses by helping us with straightening out the Hormuz canal and engaging with us against Iran.
 
Guno צְבִי said:
Poor john bircher
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Oh look who learned a new term !!

John Birch opposed civil rights....LIKE EVERY OTHER DEMOCRAT, in the Klan, etc.

Republicans broke the Race-o-crat filibuster of the Civil Rights Act(s) in 1964, under the great Everett Dirksen.

John Birch was one of yours.

Learn actual history, dumbfuck.
 
Grokmaster said:
Oh look who learned a new term !!

John Birch opposed civil rights....LIKE EVERY OTHER DEMOCRAT, in the Klan, etc.

Republicans broke the Race-o-crat filibuster of the Civil Rights Act(s) in 1964, under the great Everett Dirksen.

John Birch was one of yours.

Learn actual history, dumbfuck.
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Poot dumb fuck whitey wanna be

The John Birch Society is an American right-wing political advocacy group. Founded in 1958, it is anti-communist, supports social conservatism, and is associated with ultraconservative, radical right, far-right, right-wing populist,

How the John Birch Society radicalized the American Right​


www.niskanencenter.org

How the John Birch Society radicalized the American Right, with Matthew Dallek - Niskanen Center

In this podcast discussion, Matthew Dallek describes the history of the Birch Society as well as dynamics that made it a significant political force and an enduring influence on the contemporary American right.
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Grokmaster said:
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It's pitiful, ain't it?
 
Guno צְבִי said:
Poot dumb fuck whitey wanna be The John Birch Society is an American right-wing political advocacy group. Founded in 1958, it is anti-communist, supports social conservatism, and is associated with ultraconservative, radical right, far-right, right-wing populist,
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Founded in 1958, the John Birch Society (JBS) fiercely opposed the Civil Rights Movement during the 1960s and 1970s.


politicalresearch.org

The John Birch Society's Anti-Civil Rights Campaign of the 1960s, and Its Relevance Today

The rise of the Tea Party and the ongoing “Ron Paul Revolution” have helped the JBS make a comeback as it attracts young people by re-branding itself as “libertarian.”
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Damocles said:
NATO is an extension of US power . . .
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In what way?

What can NATO do for us?

As I stated earlier, they manifestly ack the ability (and in some cases the willingness) to defend our interests.

They don't appear to have the capability to even defend themselves, either.

The only benefit I can see is the siting of forward air bases and port facilities, and some of the member nations have been less than enthusiastic (to put it mildly) about that.
 
The fact that Russia did not attack a member NATO nation since it was formed should tell you something. They were very concerned that Ukraine was talking about joining. They did not want to face NATO.
 
Diogenes said:
In what way?

What can NATO do for us?

As I stated earlier, they manifestly ack the ability (and in some cases the willingness) to defend our interests.

They don't appear to have the capability to even defend themselves, either.

The only benefit I can see is the siting of forward air bases and port facilities, and some of the member nations have been less than enthusiastic (to put it mildly) about that.
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Because of NATO we have bases all over Europe. It is a direct line, it isn't a mystery.
 
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