US top NATO General, Austin Scott Miller; " Taliban cannot be defeated "

Irish said:
Yes but this is what libs like Iolo like. They want a total govt control style like the Taliban set up. They want to listen to their muslim masters and have them do as told.
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Who is this ludicrous fart, and what has Ireland done to it?
 
noise said:
Ok.. still Salafist or not?
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Nope.. Deobandi developed against the British..

Deobandism is a conservative Islamic orthodoxy that follows a Salafist egalitarian model and seeks to emulate the life and times of Prophet Mohammed. The Deobandi philosophy was founded in 1867 at the Dar ul-Ulum (Abode of Islamic Learning) madrassa in Deoband, India. Deobandi madrassas flourished across South Asia, and they were officially supported in Pakistan when President Mohammed Zia-ul-Haq assumed control of Pakistani government in 1977.


Deobandi Islam
The northern Indian Deobandi school argues that the reason Islamic societies have fallen behind the West in all spheres of endeavor is because they have been seduced by the amoral and material accoutrements of Westernization, and have deviated from the original pristine teachings of the Prophet.

Deobandism is a conservative Islamic orthodoxy that follows a Salafist egalitarian model and seeks to emulate the life and times of Prophet Mohammed. The Deobandi philosophy was founded in 1867 at the Dar ul-Ulum (Abode of Islamic Learning) madrassa in Deoband, India. Deobandi madrassas flourished across South Asia, and they were officially supported in Pakistan when President Mohammed Zia-ul-Haq assumed control of Pakistani government in 1977.

Deobandism became widely practiced in Pakistan, and to a lesser degree in Afghanistan, with the Jamiat- ul-Ulama- i-Islam as its primary political proponent. It holds that a Muslim’s primary obligation and principle loyalty are to his religion. Deobandis believe they have a sacred right and obligation to wage jihad to protect the Muslims of any country.

Deoband is a town a hundred miles north of Delhi where a madrasa (religious school) was established there in 1867. The so-called 'Deobandi Tradition' itself is much older than the eponymous Dar-Ul-Ulum at Deoband. The Deoband madrasa brought together Muslims who were hostile to British rule and committed to a literal and austere interpretation of Islam.

For the last 200 years, Sunnis often have looked to the example of the Deoband madrassa (religious school) near Delhi, India. The Deoband school has long sought to purify Islam by discarding supposedly un-Islamic accretions to the faith and reemphasizing the models established in the Koran and the customary practices of the Prophet Mohammed. Additionally, Deobandi scholars often have opposed what they perceive as Western influences.

Just as Sikhs originated from Hinduism, but are not Hindus, and Protestants came from Roman Catholicism, but are not Catholics, similarly, the Deobandi sect originated in the Sunni community, but are not strictly Sunnis.

The Deobandi movement in Sunni Islam, was founded in response to British colonial rule in India and later hardened in Pakistan into bitter opposition to what its members views as the country's neo-colonial elite. The Islamic Deobandi militants share the Taliban's restrictive view of women, and regard Pakistan's minority Shiia as non-Muslim. They seek a pure leader, or amir, to recreate Pakistani society according to the egalitarian model of Islam's early days under the Prophet Mohammed. President Musharraf himself, is a Deobandi, actually born in the city in India, where the school took it's name.
 
iolo said:
No, I'm afraid you are wrong. They were a fanatical Muslim resistance, recruited as such.
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The Taliban were boys orphaned during the war.. They had very little education including education in Islam..

They came to power sort of like the KKK did after the Civil War when Afghanistan was completely lawless and broken.
 
Havana Moon said:
The Pakistan ISI have a long connection with the Taliban. Taffy is blowing out of his hindquarters as per usual.

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/pakistan-taliban-and-the-afghan-quagmire/
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Pakistan intelligence (The ISI) gained global recognition and fame in the 1980s when it supported the Afghan Mujahideen against the Soviet Union during the Soviet–Afghan War in then Democratic Republic of Afghanistan.

During the war, the ISI worked in close coordination with the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States to train and fund the Mujahideen with American, Pakistani, and Saudi funds.

After fall of the Soviet Union, the ISI provided strategic support and intelligence to the Afghan Taliban against the Northern Alliance during the civil war in Afghanistan of the 1990s.

The Taliban emerged in the early 1990s in northern Pakistan following the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan.
 
Religious wars are the hardest fought of all wars.

While we fight the Taliban to protect democracy in Afghanistan, the Taliban are fighting us for the survival of their extreme religious beliefs.

What I don't understand about the conflict, is why can't we help the Afghans help themselves by successfully creating an Afghan military defense army that would replace our efforts there.

Look how long we have been there. And still no army capable of defending themselves. If we should leave, the country would be back under Taliban control overnight!

So, what do we do, turn tail and say "We are outta here! You people are on your own"?

I ask you- Did all the US soldiers that died and were wounded for life there do all that for us to just turn tail and run now?

I say no! We put enough resources together to go and wipe out the Taliban- even if we have to invade Pakistan to do it right!
 
Adolf_Twitler said:
Religious wars are the hardest fought of all wars.

While we fight the Taliban to protect democracy in Afghanistan, the Taliban are fighting us for the survival of their extreme religious beliefs.

What I don't understand about the conflict, is why can't we help the Afghans help themselves by successfully creating an Afghan military defense army that would replace our efforts there.

Look how long we have been there. And still no army capable of defending themselves. If we should leave, the country would be back under Taliban control overnight!

So, what do we do, turn tail and say "We are outta here! You people are on your own"?

I ask you- Did all the US soldiers that died and were wounded for life there do all that for us to just turn tail and run now?

I say no! We put enough resources together to go and wipe out the Taliban- even if we have to invade Pakistan to do it right!
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we have sucesfully "created" the ANAF (police and army) -but being Afghanistan the government is corrupt
and the forces infiltrated by the Taliban.

But they do fight & die -unlike the Iraq's did when confronted by ISIS.
We are in a support role in Afghan
 
Look, the US may be stuck there for a very long time and let me explain why.

Even if we defeated the Taliban, job done, we dust our hands off and come home.

What do you think will happen?

My long term fear has always been of the Russians coming in behind us and stealing the country right out from under them.

Think about that for just a minute!

That's why I say, we will always have to have a military presence there, if we don't want Russia to just easily conquer them.
 
Adolf_Twitler said:
Religious wars are the hardest fought of all wars.

While we fight the Taliban to protect democracy in Afghanistan, the Taliban are fighting us for the survival of their extreme religious beliefs.

What I don't understand about the conflict, is why can't we help the Afghans help themselves by successfully creating an Afghan military defense army that would replace our efforts there.

Look how long we have been there. And still no army capable of defending themselves. If we should leave, the country would be back under Taliban control overnight!

So, what do we do, turn tail and say "We are outta here! You people are on your own"?

I ask you- Did all the US soldiers that died and were wounded for life there do all that for us to just turn tail and run now?

I say no! We put enough resources together to go and wipe out the Taliban- even if we have to invade Pakistan to do it right!
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The Taliban emerged to restore law and order after we fled Afghanistan.. All institutions had been destroyed.. and they filled the void.
 
noise said:
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Pakistan has been intimately associated with the Taliban since its birth in the mid-1990s.
The ISI provided support to Mullah Omar when he founded the organisation in Kandahar.
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You do know that ISI is the Pakistanis intelligence service NOT ISIS.
 
Adolf_Twitler said:
Look, the US may be stuck there for a very long time and let me explain why.

Even if we defeated the Taliban, job done, we dust our hands off and come home.

What do you think will happen?

My long term fear has always been of the Russians coming in behind us and stealing the country right out from under them.

Think about that for just a minute!

That's why I say, we will always have to have a military presence there, if we don't want Russia to just easily conquer them.
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Russians are already there.
It's more blow back from our stupid sanctions -just like we are forcing Russia and China into a strategic military partnership

Putin’s dance with the Taliban
https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/putins-dance-taliban/
Russia has moved to establish itself as a central actor in Afghan affairs. And the Kremlin has surprised many by embracing the Afghan Taliban. Russia had long viewed the thuggish force created by Pakistan’s rogue Inter-Services Intelligence agency as a major terrorist threat. In 2009-2015, Russia served as a critical supply route for US-led forces fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan; it even contributed military helicopters to the effort.

Russia’s reversal on the Afghan Taliban reflects a larger strategy linked to its clash with the US and its European allies—a clash that has intensified considerably since Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea spurred the US and Europe to impose heavy economic sanctions. In fact, in a sense, Russia is exchanging roles with the US in
Afghanistan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...res-why/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.fd961a7cc318
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To discover that Russia is supplying the Taliban should be felt by the US military as a sharp stick right in our eye! And I'm sure it is!

This has started under the current administration. And what is anyone doing about it? Nothing! Because our president is having a teenage crush on Putin- that! That's all we are doing about it!
 
Since December 2016, Moscow has hosted regular diplomatic talks on resolving Afghanistan’s political crisis. These talks include direct appeals to moderate Taliban factions to participate in peace talks with the Afghan government.
 
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