Value Added Tax???

[FUCK THE POLICE]

WRONG!! VAT's were originally introduced in France in 1954 and is now a major part of the tax structure of most Western European nations.

And their welfare states are usually much older than that.

 

[DamnYankee]

VAT tax would eliminate the IRS and Obama is headed in this direction. The tax would be on everything.

Wrong. Obama wants to tax us for both. The IRS will only get bigger.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

It depends on your definition of "middle class".

Or what the meaning of "is" is?

 

[apple0154]

Or what the meaning of "is" is?

In msg #25 you wrote, "the middle class shouldn't have to shoulder this either", so I'm trying to find out just who is doing the "shouldering". Who am I supposed to feel sorry for?

 

[Sammy Jankis]

In msg #25 you wrote, "the middle class shouldn't have to shoulder this either", so I'm trying to find out just who is doing the "shouldering". Who am I supposed to feel sorry for?

You should feel sorry for yourself because of your own stupidity.

 

[Topspin]

No boomers should have to pay the VAT tax.

Put a VAT on hacky sac's, Affliction t-shirts

 

[apple0154]

You should feel sorry for yourself because of your own stupidity.

Awww, Asshat. BTW, I preferred your other avatar.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Awww, Asshat. BTW, I preferred your other avatar.

your preferences are of little value to me.

 

[apple0154]

your preferences are of little value to me.

You're not a sociable fella, are you?

 

[Sammy Jankis]

You're not a sociable fella, are you?

Not with stupid fuckfaces.

 

[apple0154]

Not with stupid fuckfaces.

Would you say you're an angry young man?

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Would you say you're an angry young man?

Would you say you're a totalitarian elitist traitor?

 

[apple0154]

Would you say you're a totalitarian elitist traitor?

How is helping people get medical care being a traitor?

 

[DamnYankee]

How is helping people get medical care being a traitor?

There are methods of doing that without usurping the Constitution.

 

[apple0154]

There are methods of doing that without usurping the Constitution.

Nothing is being usurped. "Promote the general Welfare".

First, when "promoting" something one is "doing" something.
Second, health is considered ones primary welfare.

Regardless, no one came up with any "method" for the last 50 years and some weren't all that concerned about it anyway.

The objectors have no one to blame but themselves. They stalled and obstructed, made up lies, manipulated.....they refused to play ball so the game started without them.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I like Volcker, but this is not a good idea. The VAT tax is highly regressive if done across the board. If it is not done across the board then you simply open up the politicians to receiving more bribes from corporations/groups to get their respective products 'exemption' from the VAT.

There are countless sources of wasteful spending in DC. Defense, education, medicare, medicaid etc... GET THAT SHIT TAKEN CARE OF FIRST. Then freeze spending increases until you have the debt paid back down.

Yea I agree. A VAT is a last resort. I'd start with means testing SS and raising the cap on SS pay roll taxes and put SS back into the black and tell congress to keep their greedy hands off of it (I know...good luck with that).

Second would be to complete health care reform, that would take care of the drain on medicare/medicaid.

Next, end the over extension and ruinous costs of our foreign military involvements then cut the US military in half.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Next, end the over extension and ruinous costs of our foreign military involvements then cut the US military in half.

I approve this message.

 

[Topspin]

I approve this message.

I love Mott the hoopster, we should not put our brave young Hero's like Capt and 3d, STY in harms way for some bullshit corporate, or worse foreign political reason. If the invade us let the young hero's train the old farts like me to be bullet catchers.

 

[DamnYankee]

Nothing is being usurped. "Promote the general Welfare".

First, when "promoting" something one is "doing" something.
Second, health is considered ones primary welfare.

Regardless, no one came up with any "method" for the last 50 years and some weren't all that concerned about it anyway.

The objectors have no one to blame but themselves. They stalled and obstructed, made up lies, manipulated.....they refused to play ball so the game started without them.

Which article of the Constitution are you referring to? How does that authorize heath insurance, exactly?

 

[Topspin]

the only usurping or slurping is southerncoward drinking the neocon koolaid