Vance crushes Walz, debate was over in first minute

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I still believe that Vance missed some key points. One was when they once again prattled on about not believing that the 2020 election was perfect.

He should have shot back at Walz if he demanded the same from Democrats when they declared that Trump was illegitimate and tried to stop the electoral vote count for him.

Vance crushes Walz, debate was over in first minute

VANCE CRUSHES WALZ, DEBATE WAS OVER IN FIRST MINUTE. New York — “I guess we now know the story about Walz being nervous and a bad debater wasn’t an expectation-lowering exercise — it was a leak,” said one top Republican leaving the just-concluded vice presidential debate between Gov. Tim Walz (D-MN) and Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH) late Tuesday night. Indeed, when the debate began at 9 p.m., it was clear from its first moments that Walz was just what the stories had said — nervous and a bad debater. It was also clear that Vance was going to win the debate decisively.

Chris LaCivita, the co-manager of the Trump campaign, said he could tell what was happening almost immediately. When I asked what the key moment of the debate was, LaCivita quickly answered, “The first 20 seconds.” Why was that? “Because the first question out of the gate is dealing with leadership on the world stage, everything going on in the Middle East, and Tim Walz comes up on stage and he’s completely rattled. He does not project the image of the type of leadership that you want in the White House. So right then and there framed the whole thing.”

Yes, it did. Walz’s shaky start cast a pall over the night for Democrats, and even when he got better, which he did, Walz still wasn’t as good as Vance. The Republican out-argued Walz on world crises, on the aftermath of Hurricane Helene, and on immigration, and he fought him to at least a draw on gun violence.

Then there were the moments when Walz inexplicably beat himself. When co-moderator Margaret Brennan asked about Walz’s oft-repeated tale of having been in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square uprising in 1989, when in fact he was in Nebraska, Walz went into a long song and dance about being from a small town. And then he said, “I’ve not been perfect, and I’m a knucklehead at times.” And then he said that he is given to talking too much. “I will talk a lot. I will get caught up in the rhetoric,” Walz said. In that moment, he did an excellent job of arguing that he is too emotional to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. And then, finally, when prodded by Brennan, he admitted that he “misspoke” about Hong Kong. Why didn’t he just do that to begin with?


 
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Brennan then turned to Vance for his own tough question, which concerned all the harsh criticisms Vance leveled at Donald Trump back in 2016. Now, he’s Trump’s running mate. Does he just tell the former president what he wants to hear? It was a question Vance knew very well. I was talking recently to a veteran of Vance’s 2022 Senate race, who noted that Vance held 75-plus town halls during that campaign, and someone asked the you-bashed-Trump-but-now-you-like-him question every single time. Vance has had a lot of practice answering it. And on this occasion, unlike Walz, he began with, “I was wrong.” Vance said he criticized Trump and then changed his mind because 1) he believed some negative, and inaccurate, media accounts of Trump during the 2016 campaign and 2) “Donald Trump delivered for the American people rising wages, rising take-home pay, an economy that worked for normal Americans.”

Vance handled the question designed to make him uncomfortable far better than Walz did. And then, when the discussion focused on the economy, Vance analyzed Walz’s position in a way Walz never could. “Honestly, Tim, I think you’ve got a tough job here because you’ve got to play whack-a-mole,” Vance said. “You’ve got to pretend that Donald Trump didn’t deliver rising take-home pay, which, of course, he did. You’ve got to pretend that Donald Trump didn’t deliver lower inflation, which, of course, he did. And then you’ve simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris’s atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries, and housing unaffordable for American citizens.” Vance recounted some of his family’s struggles to pay the bills and concluded with, “We can do so much better. To all of you watching, we can get back to an America that’s affordable again. We’ve just got to get back to commonsense economic principles.”

By this time, Walz’s partisans, in the worlds of politics and journalism, were nearly beside themselves. America’s Coach was choking the game away. A little more than an hour in, the New Yorker’s Susan Glasser tweeted, “Where is the Tim Walz who went viral after ‘weird’ Republicans? Not showing up on that debate stage so far tonight.” To which the Washington Post’s Karen Tumulty answered, “This is not his best setting.”
 
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Indeed it wasn’t. “Vance is going home tonight with Walz’s wallet,” tweeted The Atlantic’s David Frum. “Vance didn’t even have to snatch it. Walz just handed it over…”
 

Vice presidential debate fact check: Springfield, Project 2025, Amber Thurman

Amber Thurman death

Walz was referring to the tragic story of a Georgia woman who died in 2022 after complications from taking the abortion pill; the story was reported last month by ProPublica.

Thurman, according to the left-leaning outlet, traveled to North Carolina in August 2022 to receive the abortion pill after Georgia passed its six-week abortion ban. She was approximately nine weeks pregnant at the time.

When Thurman went to a Georgia hospital days after taking the abortion pill with symptoms of a severe infection, there was no fetal cardiac activity; in other words, she was no longer pregnant, and her treatment would therefore not involve an abortion.

But several hours went by before the hospital prescribed antibiotics for her infection, and nearly a day passed before doctors performed the procedure necessary to clear her uterus of the retained tissue causing her infection. By then, it was too late, and Thurman died.

Critics said Thurman’s story sounded much more like a case of medical malpractice than the results of the Georgia law, which would not have prevented Thurman from receiving treatment for her infection much earlier. Abortion access advocates claimed, without evidence, that doctors may have been worried about how to interpret the Georgia law and may have delayed caring for her while they figured it out.

Anti-abortion access advocates say laws such as Georgia’s never stop a doctor from saving a woman’s life and especially don’t apply when there is no longer a pregnancy involved, as was the case with Thurman.

Still, her case has become a rallying cry for Democrats, including Harris, who warn that abortion restrictions could endanger women by complicating doctors’ ability to make straightforward decisions about their healthcare.


 
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Dying babies in Minnesota

Walz attempted to fact-check Vance over the interpretation of a Minnesota law involving late-term abortions.

“As I read the Minnesota…statute that you signed into law, it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion, where the baby survives, the doctor is under no obligation to provide lifesaving care to a baby who survives a botched late term abortion,” Vance said.

“That is not the way the law is written,” Walz replied.

The debate centers on a change to longstanding state law that Walz, as Minnesota’s governor, signed last year.

The previous statute, on the books for decades, required doctors to “preserve the life and health of the born alive infant” in the rare event of a baby surviving a late-term abortion. The revision Walz approved stripped out some of that language and only required that a doctor “care for the infant who is born alive.”
The change caused anti-abortion access advocates to argue that doctors are no longer legally required to save the life of a baby that survives an abortion in Minnesota. Pro-abortion access advocates point to the federal ban on partial birth abortions to argue that the practice of killing babies delivered alive is already illegal.

During Walz’s time as governor, eight babies were reported to the state as having survived abortions, the Washington Examiner previously reported. None survived, and thanks to a change also enacted under Walz, state law no longer requires abortion clinics to report live births from failed abortions.
 
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Border crossings are down compared to Trump

Vance repeatedly hammered Walz over the spike in illegal immigration that has occurred with Harris in office.

Walz’s claim that border crossings are down under the Biden-Harris administration approaches accuracy (but doesn’t quite get there) when looking strictly at the past few months, but not if one looks at the immigration record of the full Trump term next to the nearly-full Biden-Harris term.

Border Patrol agents apprehended roughly 58,000 people at the border in August, which represented a significant drop from the record-breaking border crossings seen over the previous few years. In August 2020, the last comparable month from when Trump was in office, Border Patrol recorded 47,283 encounters at the border.

But overall, illegal immigration has been substantially higher under Biden and Harris than under Trump. Although Biden implemented asylum restrictions earlier this year amid election-related scrutiny, millions of illegal immigrants had already entered the country under the more lenient policy of Biden’s first two years in office.
 
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Project 2025 ‘registry of pregnancies’

Nowhere in the more than 900-page document outlining what’s known as Project 2025 are there any proposals for restricting contraception or fertility treatments, although Walz is far from the only Democrat to have repeated this false claim.

Trump himself has ruled out supporting birth control restrictions.

“I do not support a ban on birth control, and neither will the Republican Party,” he said in May.

Neither Trump nor Vance have ever proposed restricting access to IVF or other fertility treatments. In fact, Trump has arguably gone further than the Harris-Walz ticket on supporting IVF, proposing a universal coverage mandate for IVF treatments/

Trump has disavowed Project 2025 and had no role in writing it. Some of his former aides were involved in drafting the conservative policy blueprint, which is why Democrats have tried to tie it to the Republican nominee.
 
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