Horse shit.Not a peep from the forum leftists. They are hiding their faces in shame.
I am as far left as one can go...and I think Vance won the debate. But it was far from wiping the floor with Walz. Kamala Harris did kick Trump's ass hard enough for his nose to bleed, but that was not what happened last night.
No shame involved. One person (Vance) came out ahead. That happens.