Video shows Renee Good’s vehicle blocking ICE agents for over 3 minutes as she’s dancing to her own car horn moments before the shooting

Nordberg said:
Real police are trained not shoot into cars. Trump's personal army is trained to not care about the people. https://www.motherjones.com/politic...ting-ice-trump-cops-taught-not-shoot-at-cars/
We have all seen ICE walking up to cars and their first action is breaking windows. Why are they doing that?
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Why are they doing this, you ask? Because they "can", just like the SS soldiers of Nazi Germany, because they can. The Germans had all of Europe and the US to rescue them from their nightmare leader....THE UNITED STATES GOT NOBODY TO SAVE US FROM WHITE MORONS AND TRUMP, NOBODY!!!
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Exactly! Traffic cops know how to deal with traffic situations! That's why ICE officers shouldn't have to, but do have to because local Leftist, Democrat run government won't let the traffic cops do their goddamned jobs because they hate ICE so much.
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Tsk, tsk, tsk. They are forcing ICE to do things.

Jesus H. Christ, T.A. Are you saying that the ICE people are pussies.
 
Diesel said:
You sick, anti-American fuck. We have a right to protest. A constitutional right. Agents of the government do not get to summarily execute civilians for exercising the First Amendment.
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You don't have a right to muck in the police's business, nor get right in their face, or block emergency vehicles. Sure, she and her partner could have stood on the sidewalk and protested, or sat in their vehicle, properly parked, and beeped the horn. But once she decided to block traffic to make a statement, she was skating on very thin ice if you'll pardon the pun.

She wasn't "summarily execute(d)." She panicked when the ICE officers went to arrest her for interfering in their business. It's clear she thought it was going to be all fun and games being all edgy with the police. It cost her her life.

She created the conditions that led to her shooting. She had no reason to be at that location and even less reason to be directly engaged in anything with the ICE officers.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, I'm saying the pussies are protesting and getting their shit packed in because they think they can't be harmed in the least for anything they do with regards to the police they're protesting.
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Yeah...you are. And I suspect you cannot see how wrong you are.

But you will find out.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
You don't have a right to muck in the police's business, nor get right in their face, or block emergency vehicles. Sure, she and her partner could have stood on the sidewalk and protested, or sat in their vehicle, properly parked, and beeped the horn. But once she decided to block traffic to make a statement, she was skating on very thin ice if you'll pardon the pun.

She wasn't "summarily execute(d)." She panicked when the ICE officers went to arrest her for interfering in their business. It's clear she thought it was going to be all fun and games being all edgy with the police. It cost her her life.

She created the conditions that led to her shooting. She had no reason to be at that location and even less reason to be directly engaged in anything with the ICE officers.
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Well, Terry, good thing none of that happened, you miserable fucking liar.

Good didn't muck in ICE's (they're not police) business. She didn't get in anyone's face. She didn't block any vehicles. Literally everything you say is a lie, and you know it. How does that make you feel about yourself?

She wasn't interfering in anything. She was a block away honking her horn as other vehicles drove right around her. They drove (it was too far to walk apparently) up to her and caused the confrontation. Her reason for being at that location was to protest ICE's operations. That is not "no reason". She wasn't "directly engaged" with ICE. They approached her.
 
Diesel said:
Well, Terry, good thing none of that happened, you miserable fucking liar.
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Oh? Good didn't block the street with her vehicle? Good wasn't protesting the ICE officer's presence? Her partner wasn't out of the vehicle taunting the ICE officers? The ICE officers didn't go to try and arrest her? Which of those things didn't happen?
Diesel said:
Good didn't muck in ICE's (they're not police) business. She didn't get in anyone's face. She didn't block any vehicles. Literally everything you say is a lie, and you know it. How does that make you feel about yourself?
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Yes, she did. She blocked traffic. There's video of her doing so for over 3 minutes prior to ICE deciding to arrest her. Explain why her mini van was parked sideways across the road blocking, in part, both lanes of traffic. Explain how she is legally allowed to park her vehicle that way.
Diesel said:
She wasn't interfering in anything. She was a block away honking her horn as other vehicles drove right around her. They drove (it was too far to walk apparently) up to her and caused the confrontation. Her reason for being at that location was to protest ICE's operations. That is not "no reason". She wasn't "directly engaged" with ICE. They approached her.
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She was interfering with ICE leaving the scene. She failed to move her vehicle out of the way for an emergency vehicle with lights and siren on. Other vehicles might have driven around her, but that doesn't change that what she was doing was blocking the flow of traffic and illegal.

Try what she did where you live. Turn your vehicle to block lanes of traffic as a firetruck, ambulance, or police car with lights and siren on approaches and see what happens. Go for it. That's what Good did.
 
Stone said:
:chuckle:
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Yes, America we do have a right to peacefully protest our constitutional grievances....I just wish yall had this same type of smoke the summer of 2020, when DC BLM protesters were shut down by Trump and the US military. And Trump holding a bible upside down in victory. Why is it always always chatter when white people end up dead from these constitutional rights to protest and us black folk are deemed Antifa, anti American, Radicals, black panthers, etc???
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Oh? Good didn't block the street with her vehicle?
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No, she didn't. Don't ask stupid questions.
T. A. Gardner said:
Good wasn't protesting the ICE officer's presence?
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She was. That's her constitutional right.
T. A. Gardner said:
Her partner wasn't out of the vehicle taunting the ICE officers?
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Not until they drove a block to confront them.
T. A. Gardner said:
The ICE officers didn't go to try and arrest her?
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We have no idea what they were trying to do to her.
T. A. Gardner said:
Which of those things didn't happen?
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Literally all of them as you describe them.
T. A. Gardner said:
Yes, she did. She blocked traffic. There's video of her doing so for over 3 minutes prior to ICE deciding to arrest her. Explain why her mini van was parked sideways across the road blocking, in part, both lanes of traffic. Explain how she is legally allowed to park her vehicle that way.
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What the fuck is wrong with you? Even you know that you're lying. What is the point? There are multiple videos from every angle that all show the same thing. Good was parked in the shoulder and one lane. You have seen several vehicles drive around her car in the other lane. She wasn't parked in both lanes, period. It was a Honda Pilot, not a minivan.
T. A. Gardner said:
She was interfering with ICE leaving the scene. She failed to move her vehicle out of the way for an emergency vehicle with lights and siren on. Other vehicles might have driven around her, but that doesn't change that what she was doing was blocking the flow of traffic and illegal.
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Fair enough. Are you suggesting that ICE drove a block to confront Good about the way her car was parked? Please tell me that's what you're suggesting.
T. A. Gardner said:
Try what she did where you live. Turn your vehicle to block lanes of traffic as a firetruck, ambulance, or police car with lights and siren on approaches and see what happens. Go for it. That's what Good did.
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And she got shot in the face 3 times for it. Now, if that's the kind of country you want to live in, I suggest you try Syria or North Korea. Here, you anti-American freak, we give misdemeanor tickets for traffic offenses. ICE could have even followed her home and given her another ticket for leaving the scene -- except ICE doesn't have that authority.

Cue you bitching about the local police being told to stand down. In that case, since Good wasn't causing a problem for anyone, ICE should have turned over the matter and the footage to the local police and had them deal with it. Good should have been given a court date and faced a judge to receive her just penalties. This 1930s Germany bullshit you support in 2026 America is not going to last.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Oh? Good didn't block the street with her vehicle? Good wasn't protesting the ICE officer's presence? Her partner wasn't out of the vehicle taunting the ICE officers? The ICE officers didn't go to try and arrest her? Which of those things didn't happen?


Yes, she did. She blocked traffic. There's video of her doing so for over 3 minutes prior to ICE deciding to arrest her. Explain why her mini van was parked sideways across the road blocking, in part, both lanes of traffic. Explain how she is legally allowed to park her vehicle that way.

She was interfering with ICE leaving the scene. She failed to move her vehicle out of the way for an emergency vehicle with lights and siren on. Other vehicles might have driven around her, but that doesn't change that what she was doing was blocking the flow of traffic and illegal.

Try what she did where you live. Turn your vehicle to block lanes of traffic as a firetruck, ambulance, or police car with lights and siren on approaches and see what happens. Go for it. That's what Good did.
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So, how come you didn't have the same take about someone joining a violent mob going through a broken window toward the center of the Capitol?
 
BartenderElite said:
So, how come you didn't have the same take about someone joining a violent mob going through a broken window toward the center of the Capitol?
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My take on Babbitt is, what she did was wrong. The problem there is that Byrd was both incompetent and a coward. Byrd's overall record as a Capitol Police officer shows his incompetence clearly. That he was unwilling to step into the hallway and confront Babbitt, who wasn't looking at him (unlike Good who clearly saw the officer in front of her vehicle), and didn't see him, is on Byrd.

Byrd should have tried less than lethal force first. That's my argument with Babbitt. She put herself in a position where she could get shot and did. That's on her. Byrd shouldn't have been let off the hook for incompetence however. He had the time to make choices and work towards non-lethal outcomes. Babbitt was not an immediate threat to anyone or thing.

Good put herself in a position where she could get shot and did. That's on her. The officer who fired on her had every right to do so in that split second he had to make a decision in. He may have made the wrong call, but he made a call, and it was valid, nonetheless.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
My take on Babbitt is, what she did was wrong. The problem there is that Byrd was both incompetent and a coward. Byrd's overall record as a Capitol Police officer shows his incompetence clearly. That he was unwilling to step into the hallway and confront Babbitt, who wasn't looking at him (unlike Good who clearly saw the officer in front of her vehicle), and didn't see him, is on Byrd.

Byrd should have tried less than lethal force first. That's my argument with Babbitt. She put herself in a position where she could get shot and did. That's on her. Byrd shouldn't have been let off the hook for incompetence however. He had the time to make choices and work towards non-lethal outcomes. Babbitt was not an immediate threat to anyone or thing.

Good put herself in a position where she could get shot and did. That's on her. The officer who fired on her had every right to do so in that split second he had to make a decision in. He may have made the wrong call, but he made a call, and it was valid, nonetheless.
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You're holding both cops to different standards, based on partisanship.
 
BartenderElite said:
You're holding both cops to different standards, based on partisanship.
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No, I'm holding them to the same standard. Byrd was incompetent and a coward. He had time to do things other than shoot. He didn't even try.

Ross on the other hand had a split second to make a decision based on immediate, potential, threat of serious bodily harm. He made a call. Second guessing that as he could have stepped out of the way or something doesn't negate his call.

Byrd, as seen on video, had his gun pointed at Babbitt and had something like 10 seconds--forever in those situations--to do something less than lethal. Simply stepping into the hallway and pointing his weapon at Babbitt would likely have been sufficient. He didn't. He was panicking and you can see that in part by how he's handling his firearm in the videos.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, I'm holding them to the same standard. Byrd was incompetent and a coward. He had time to do things other than shoot. He didn't even try.

Ross on the other hand had a split second to make a decision based on immediate, potential, threat of serious bodily harm. He made a call. Second guessing that as he could have stepped out of the way or something doesn't negate his call.

Byrd, as seen on video, had his gun pointed at Babbitt and had something like 10 seconds--forever in those situations--to do something less than lethal. Simply stepping into the hallway and pointing his weapon at Babbitt would likely have been sufficient. He didn't. He was panicking and you can see that in part by how he's handling his firearm in the videos.
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There was no threat of serious bodily harm. I'm not sure how anyone could conclude that looking at the footage.
 
BartenderElite said:
There was no threat of serious bodily harm. I'm not sure how anyone could conclude that looking at the footage.
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Wrong. The perception of someone in that split second could easily be that they're about to be hit by the vehicle--hard. She was under full acceleration and that's proven by the fact that the van hit that parked car and telephone poll in about two or three car lengths hard enough to set the airbags off.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, I'm holding them to the same standard. Byrd was incompetent and a coward. He had time to do things other than shoot. He didn't even try.

Ross on the other hand had a split second to make a decision based on immediate, potential, threat of serious bodily harm. He made a call. Second guessing that as he could have stepped out of the way or something doesn't negate his call.

Byrd, as seen on video, had his gun pointed at Babbitt and had something like 10 seconds--forever in those situations--to do something less than lethal. Simply stepping into the hallway and pointing his weapon at Babbitt would likely have been sufficient. He didn't. He was panicking and you can see that in part by how he's handling his firearm in the videos.
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Fucking bitch


He shot her because he hates anyone who’s not a racist
 
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