Virginia cops pepper-sprayed Black and Latino Army officer

Dutch Uncle said:
No. How do you know how many good cops didn't report bad cops?
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Because of all the bad cops caught on video.

That's just what is caught on video...it's hardly the breadth and scale of the abuse and corruption.

This shit has been going on forever, we're only seeing it now because everyone has cameras on their phones and can record...that is, if the police even let you record them...which many of them don't, despite you having the Constitutional right to do so.
 
LV426 said:
They haven't ever and they never will because Insurance companies know that the only people who end up paying settlements are the taxpayers, not the insurance companies, not the police themselves, not the police union. Taxpayers. You and me.

We are the ones who pay the settlements for bad cops who are defended by the PBA.

I think the PBA should have to pay those settlements, and I haven't seen a good case or argument as to why they shouldn't.
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when you have no clue how government entities work, you should keep your mouth shut and just be thought stupid instead of saying something and proving your stupidity.

municipalities purchase insurance policies for the specific purpose of settling police abuses and misconduct/rights violations
 
SmarterthanYou said:
when you have no clue how government entities work, you should keep your mouth shut and just be thought stupid instead of saying something and proving your stupidity.
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So again, not a single articulate or coherent case as to why the PBA should not be the entity that pays all settlements from cop abuse.

You can't even form a coherent argument against it. Just ambiguous screeching.


municipalities purchase insurance policies for the specific purpose of settling police abuses and misconduct/rights violations
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Does it strike you as fucked up that municipalities have to even buy this insurance in the first place?

And with what dollars do you think those municipalities are purchasing that narrow insurance? WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

I don't think a single taxpayer dime should go to pay for insurance to cover settlements of police abuse.

Let the PBA be the ones to purchase that insurance.
 
LV426 said:
So again, not a single articulate or coherent case as to why the PBA should not be the entity that pays all settlements from cop abuse.

You can't even form a coherent argument against it. Just ambiguous screeching.
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no need to get all whiny when I point out that you still have no clue how government works

LV426 said:
Does it strike you as fucked up that municipalities have to even buy this insurance in the first place?

And with what dollars do you think those municipalities are purchasing that narrow insurance? WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

I don't think a single taxpayer dime should go to pay for insurance to cover settlements of police abuse.

Let the PBA be the ones to purchase that insurance.
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dozens of times i've posted on here about this.........I think that every state needs a state constitutional amendment that prohibits all municipalities from buying this insurance.........and although I detest police unions because they actually protect these criminal cops, I don't even think they should pay for settlements. Tax payers elect the city officials who work out these settlements. By doing so, they are protecting their police forces and the bad ones in it. Taxpayers should absolutely pay for these settlements or judgements through taxes. maybe then they will start electing people who will fix the problem instead of cover it up.
 
LV426 said:
Oh, so who turned in Chauvin? Because he was a bad cop before Floyd. Floyd didn't make him a bad cop, he's always been one.

No one did?

Not a single "good cop" turned in Chauvin before he killed Floyd????

Didn't Chauvin have a couple complaints against him made by citizens? Why didn't the "good cops" do anything then?
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Prior citizens complaints are not allowed in this case .. why?

Additionally, right down the street from the Chauvin trial, ANOTHER YOUNG BLACK MAN HAS BEEN KILLED DURING A POLICE STOP. This time supposedly by accident... and they wonder why we don’t trust cops.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
no need to get all whiny when I point out that you still have no clue how government works
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You know, I'm pretty tired of you posturing that you know how government works because 35 years ago, you sat on your fat ass in an air conditioned room and stared at a screen all day.

That doesn't qualify you as a Constitutional scholar.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
dozens of times i've posted on here about this.........I think that every state needs a state constitutional amendment that prohibits all municipalities from buying this insurance.........and although I detest police unions because they actually protect these criminal cops, I don't even think they should pay for settlements. Tax payers elect the city officials who work out these settlements. By doing so, they are protecting their police forces and the bad ones in it. Taxpayers should absolutely pay for these settlements or judgements through taxes. maybe then they will start electing people who will fix the problem instead of cover it up.
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You don't think the people who defend, commit, and/or enable the abuse should have to pay for it?

Why the fuck should you and I have to pay settlements for abuse that police officers knowingly and deliberately commit, when the PBA (an unelected non-government entity) provides the defense for these acts?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
because the courts that you lefties and righties like to worship agreed to classify those complaints as part of a personnel file, thus not subject to public transparency
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Lefties? Are you serious? You think leftists defend the police, particularly bad police?

So is that why there were so many Blue Lives Matter flags at the BLM marches? Oh there weren't. Ah.
 
blackascoal said:
Prior citizens complaints are not allowed in this case .. why?

Additionally, right down the street from the Chauvin trial, ANOTHER YOUNG BLACK MAN HAS BEEN KILLED DURING A POLICE STOP. This time supposedly by accident... and they wonder why we don’t trust cops.
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Black People 4.46 Times More Likely to Kill a Police Officer Than Other Ethnicities.. (“FBI data show that from 2005 to 2014, blacks accounted for 40 percent of police killings. Since blacks were approximately 13 percent of the population, it meant they were 4.46 times more likely than people of other races to kill a police officer.”)

And they wonder why cops don't trust blacks


Guess your black ass doesn't want to talk about those stats
 
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blackascoal said:
Because I drive a Benz, and if I’m in my wife’s car, she drives a Lexus, and I’m black and live in Georgia, with lots of buttfuck hick towns with lots of redneck Hillbilly cops.

Hope that helps.
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I wasn't asking you. My son was stopped 3 times in four weeks after I bought him a fancy new car for graduation. . He received ZERO tickets for those stops and he is lily white.


On the last stop he was asked to get out of the car while a dog sniffed the car. When the officer and the dog were on the opposite side of the car from my son the K-9 officer said the dog got a hit. [It didn't. I have the video] They illegally searched his car and found a hookah for smoking tobacco. They handcuffed my son who was polite and respectful throughout the entire stop. [They stopped him for having his drivers side wheel on a crosswalk. The car next to him was entirely on the crosswalk] My son called me before they handcuffed him and they placed him in a car with the AC off in 90 plus degree weather.. Anyway after I showed up and asked them why they had him handcuffed for a LEGAL hookah like the nearby Greek restaurant used everyday. The cops turned their microphones off and went away from us to talk privately. So the cops ended up releasing him. My point is cops stop white people without cause too.
I went to talk with the police chief and reviewed the videos from both police cars with him. The police dog was trained to sit if he senses drugs. The K-9 officer positioned himself between the car camera and the dog then he said the dog got a hit. . While you could not see the dog's body you could see its tail. The dog never sat. The Chief and I discussed the video and the illegal search that the K-9 officer conducted. No drugs were found because my son never used them. The K-9 officer was brought in and was told to resign or be fired. He quit and moved on to Grand Prairie Texas.. My point is you always cooperate with the cops on the street and if you are being abused take it to the Chief or the news papers. My son is now a firefighter Paramedic and is the paramedic for the North Tarrant County Swat Team. They found some crumbs on the back floor board and said they were "shakes" [small amounts of marijuana from pockets] I took them to the hospital with me and had them and they were negative for marijuana Turns out they were dried blossoms from the crepe myrtle he parked under. :laugh:
 
LV426 said:
OK, so you first thought that once a cop is fired, that's it, they can't get hired anymore because of ambiguous "insurance".

Turns out that is wrong...you were wrong there.

Now, you're trying to shift the goalposts to say "Oh, it's a FL problem".

So is NY also a FL problem? How about OR? How about WA? How about OH? How about MO? How about KS?

It would appear this isn't just a FL problem...

Cast-Out Police Officers Are Often Hired in Other Cities
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/11/...ce-officers-other-cities-often-hire-them.html
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LV426 said:
They haven't ever and they never will because Insurance companies know that the only people who end up paying settlements are the taxpayers, not the insurance companies, not the police themselves, not the police union. Taxpayers. You and me.

We are the ones who pay the settlements for bad cops who are defended by the PBA.

I think the PBA should have to pay those settlements, and I haven't seen a good case or argument as to why they shouldn't.
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LV426 said:
Because of all the bad cops caught on video.

That's just what is caught on video...it's hardly the breadth and scale of the abuse and corruption.

This shit has been going on forever, we're only seeing it now because everyone has cameras on their phones and can record...that is, if the police even let you record them...which many of them don't, despite you having the Constitutional right to do so.
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I used to be hot for psycho women, don't ask me why because I don't know, but my wife saved me from myself. Sometimes change is very, very good.
 
volsrock said:
Black People 4.46 Times More Likely to Kill a Police Officer Than Other Ethnicities.. (“FBI data show that from 2005 to 2014, blacks accounted for 40 percent of police killings. Since blacks were approximately 13 percent of the population, it meant they were 4.46 times more likely than people of other races to kill a police officer.”)

And they wonder why cops don't trust blacks


Guess your black ass doesn't want to talk about those stats
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How many of the officers were African-Americans?

Do you think these statistics have a genetic basis or a cultural basis? If cultural, is it economic based too?
 
LV426 said:
You know, I'm pretty tired of you posturing that you know how government works because 35 years ago, you sat on your fat ass in an air conditioned room and stared at a screen all day.

That doesn't qualify you as a Constitutional scholar.
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the ONLY thing that should constitute someone being a constitutional scholar is those having read it and understand the words on the page. everyone else, lawyers, judges, and idiots who think that the government gives us our rights and can limit them are morons. I couldn't care less if you're tired of my posturing. All you need to do is learn how government works.....and it wasn't my time in the Corps that taught me that. It's been my 25 years of watching them play you fools like a cheap fiddle
 
LV426 said:
You don't think the people who defend, commit, and/or enable the abuse should have to pay for it?

Why the fuck should you and I have to pay settlements for abuse that police officers knowingly and deliberately commit, when the PBA (an unelected non-government entity) provides the defense for these acts?
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because those people who defend and/or enable it our the residents of those municipalities....or did you not read the rest of my statement about those they elected? The PBA only has power because those elected officials signed a contract with them.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
because those people who defend and/or enable it our the residents of those municipalities....or did you not read the rest of my statement about those they elected? The PBA only has power because those elected officials signed a contract with them.
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Right, they're residents, but so is everyone else.

So why can't settlement claims be paid from PBA pensions?
 
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