Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Weenie!
Walkers Plan continues to work.
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The Almighty
You should use that line every time. It simply shows you to be the fool that you are. But let me guess, you think its clever?
http://maciverinstitute.com/2011/09/mi-report-chronicles-success-of-wisconsin-budget-reforms/
So those layoffs... there is 15% of the total net job losses right there. All because the unions refused to pay their fair share. So don't bitch and whine. It is not Walker's plan that is causing them to lose their jobs. It is their REFUSAL to take advantage of the plan that is costing them their jobs. Tell me, do you really want people that ignorant teaching future generations?
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The Almighty
ROTFLMAO....Cypress is a real scientist who showed you up as the neophyte you are and his crushing you was some of the best comedy that's ever been on JPP.
so the answer is yes.... you are stupid enough to continue posting absurdities like the above despite the FACT that the threads are available for everyone to read.
But as I always state and you always ignore... do go back and read his ACTUAL comments in response to PEER reviewed pieces that disagree with him.
He may have a degree, but he has proven (just as you have) that he could care less about the scientific method. He could care less about the ACTUAL SCIENCE. All he cares about is his agenda, which does not allow for any variation from the CONSENSUS!
You fucking ignorant hack.
And you're posting irrelevant bullshit about CEO's and their salary's and and strawman crap about the organizations they work for and how they are funded, etc.......
all of which has NOTHING to do with comparing teachers in the public sector with teachers in the private sector (apples to apples)
You don't seriously think we're gonna fall for that spin do you....?
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
lol, the thought of Mott winning a debate on science reminds me of my first adventure here.....I was warned there was a ringer on the board who never lost a debate on science.....from day one he's never had the balls to even respond to my posts on scientific issues....
Bfgrn
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Hey freak, do you ever READ what you post?
"Milwaukee Public Schools (MPS) are the most embattled entity throughout the state’s educational system. Currently, the district is facing major layoffs due to the combination of both budget cuts and the expiration of one-time Federal stimulus funding."
Who the fuck implemented the budget cuts?
Scott Walker's Budget Destroying Public Education
"Scott Walker's rhetoric met reality today, with a report that is as sad as it is shocking for the future of our public schools. Contrary to months of propaganda supported by corporate front groups, Wisconsin's schools are suffering at the direct hands of Walker's immoral budget. When seven of 10 students attend a district with fewer teachers and nine out of 10 students saw a cut in staff, when 40 percent of our schools have larger class sizes and when more than 60 percent of our school districts say they see more drastic cuts coming, Scott Walker should be ashamed to claim that his assault on public education is working.
According to the data, even one of the anecdotes that Scott Walker trots out most regularly, the Kaukauna School District, is a sham, with that school at the top of the list in losing teachers and increasing student-to-teacher ratio.
The propaganda machine for Scott Walker is well-funded - as we see with his shameless fundraising trip to Arizona, Kansas and California in the next week that begins today. The corporate front groups that have infested our state have tried mightily to fool, confuse and lie to the Wisconsin public. Today's report is a damning rebuke to any of those who yet believed Walker's hollow empty rhetoric that cutting education in Wisconsin by $2.6 billion, to fund tax cuts for the very rich, would help our schools.
Scott Walker is NOT working for Wisconsin and our future. Today, there is ample more evidence why he must be recalled."
Same toilet...lap it up freak!
MacIver Institute
Mark Block, the Americans for Prosperity Wisconsin state director and a key figure in the alleged voter suppression plot, sits on MacIver’s board of directors. MacIver and AFP Wisconsin also share two other board members, David Fettig and Fred Luber. MacIver also works closely with AFP Wisconsin as part of the Wisconsin Prosperity Network, along with another group with ties to Koch funding, American Majority. The think tank also participates in the Koch-funded Institute for Humane Studies’ Koch Summer Fellows Program and is a member of the Koch-funded State Policy Network.
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The Almighty
Both Mutt and the buffoon Cypress proclaimed themselves to have never lost. They seem to be of the mindset that if they ignore past threads that the past threads suddenly disappear and no one can access them. Mutt trots out this line of bullshit at least twice a year about how Cypress 'destroyed me' on debates on AGW.
Cypress's position was 'Consensus!'. Any peer reviewed piece that disagreed with him, he would just try and belittle the scientist or where the scientist worked.
If a scientist was not specifically a climatologist, he would mock them. While at the same time he would list every National Academy of Scientists who had signed off on the fear mongering. Unfortunately for him, the backgrounds of each member of the National Academies is available to the public. Most of those that signed off on it, didn't even have a climatologist. I pointed that out once and he went quite silent. This is what Mutt refers to as Cypress kicking my ass on the topic.
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The Almighty
Yes, but apparently you do not. As the article states, MPS refused to implement any of the budget savings measures available to them. But I guess you missed that part in your selective reading.
Um... Walker... because the state had to actually balance its budget. Now moron, WHO refused to implement the cost savings measures for MPS? You know, those measures that allowed many other districts to run surpluses. But MPS refused and the teachers got fired instead of simply having to pay their fair share.
Fair share... isn't that the mantra of the left? Shouldn't they also have to pay for their benefits? Or do you just want to lump their bills onto the backs of private sector workers?
So if a district lost one teacher or one staff member or if class size goes from 25 to 26 that would qualify it in those statistics. Nice spin job moron. As for the districts that SAY they see more drastic cuts in the future... funny, because their fearful predictions didn't come true regarding the effects of this bill.
Talk about propaganda. Do show us some evidence of the above.
Aw Cypress, I knew you could implement your new joke in every thread. Good boy. No... bad pervert... no leg humping.
Bfgrn
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State leads in government job cutting
Employment ranks fell 10.1% in second quarter
By John Schmid of the Journal Sentinel
Jan. 11, 2012
Wisconsin shed a larger share of state government jobs than any other U.S. state in the second quarter of last year, according to the most accurate and comprehensive data that exists, released Tuesday.
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Wisconsin lost 3,900 private-sector jobs in December
By John Schmid of the Journal Sentinel
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Steven Gibson (left), a new temporary worker, is trained by Kirk Johnson on generator assembly at Briggs
& Stratton Corp. earlier this month. The state lost private-sector jobs in December for the sixth consecutive month.
Wisconsin unexpectedly lost private-sector jobs in December for the sixth consecutive month, the same months in which the nation added private-sector jobs.
Given robust hiring last month at the national level, "I did not expect a sixth month of decline in Wisconsin," said John Heywood, a labor economist at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.
According to data released Thursday by the state Department of Workforce Development, the state lost an estimated 3,900 jobs in the private sector in December from November. In the same month, the United States gained an estimated 212,000 jobs, outstripping expectations of most economists and raising hopes that employers are gaining confidence at the national level.
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January 20, 2012
Turns out the worst news of Gov. Scott Walker's week wasn't that one million people signed papers to recall him from office.
It was that for the sixth straight month, the state of Wisconsin lost jobs
After all, with much of the nation gaining jobs over the last year, Wisconsin sits alone as an island of failure in a sea of recovery. The country has gained 3.2 million private sector jobs over the last 22 months, including 2 million jobs last year alone.
This continuing job loss under Gov. Walker comes after a full year in which he was given carte blanche by his fellow Republicans controlling the state legislature to pass any corporate tax break, gut any important public investment, amass as much power into the hands of the executive as the state of Wisconsin has ever seen.
And after all this: It's not working.
We've lost nearly 36,000 jobs during this six-month free fall in the wake of Gov. Walker's economic policies taking effect.
We know the state of Wisconsin was torn apart by Gov. Walker's attack on the collective bargaining rights of 175,000 workers. It was made worse by the Governor's systematic assaults on public education ($1.6 billion less available for schools including the largest per-pupil cuts in state history), health care (65,000 Wisconsinites to lose their coverage including 29,000 children) and seniors and the working poor (a $70 million tax hike through the Homestead Property Tax and Earned Income Tax Credits).
Gov. Walker's solution: More of the same failed trickle down policies.
Worse, instead of offering new and innovative job creation policies, Gov. Walker is crisscrossing the country sweeping up unprecedented and unlimited campaign cash for the nearly $5 million in television ads he's run.
Employment ranks fell 10.1% in second quarter
By John Schmid of the Journal Sentinel
Jan. 11, 2012
Wisconsin shed a larger share of state government jobs than any other U.S. state in the second quarter of last year, according to the most accurate and comprehensive data that exists, released Tuesday.
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Wisconsin lost 3,900 private-sector jobs in December
By John Schmid of the Journal Sentinel
Steven Gibson (left), a new temporary worker, is trained by Kirk Johnson on generator assembly at Briggs
& Stratton Corp. earlier this month. The state lost private-sector jobs in December for the sixth consecutive month.
Wisconsin unexpectedly lost private-sector jobs in December for the sixth consecutive month, the same months in which the nation added private-sector jobs.
Given robust hiring last month at the national level, "I did not expect a sixth month of decline in Wisconsin," said John Heywood, a labor economist at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.
According to data released Thursday by the state Department of Workforce Development, the state lost an estimated 3,900 jobs in the private sector in December from November. In the same month, the United States gained an estimated 212,000 jobs, outstripping expectations of most economists and raising hopes that employers are gaining confidence at the national level.
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January 20, 2012
Turns out the worst news of Gov. Scott Walker's week wasn't that one million people signed papers to recall him from office.
It was that for the sixth straight month, the state of Wisconsin lost jobs
After all, with much of the nation gaining jobs over the last year, Wisconsin sits alone as an island of failure in a sea of recovery. The country has gained 3.2 million private sector jobs over the last 22 months, including 2 million jobs last year alone.
This continuing job loss under Gov. Walker comes after a full year in which he was given carte blanche by his fellow Republicans controlling the state legislature to pass any corporate tax break, gut any important public investment, amass as much power into the hands of the executive as the state of Wisconsin has ever seen.
And after all this: It's not working.
We've lost nearly 36,000 jobs during this six-month free fall in the wake of Gov. Walker's economic policies taking effect.
We know the state of Wisconsin was torn apart by Gov. Walker's attack on the collective bargaining rights of 175,000 workers. It was made worse by the Governor's systematic assaults on public education ($1.6 billion less available for schools including the largest per-pupil cuts in state history), health care (65,000 Wisconsinites to lose their coverage including 29,000 children) and seniors and the working poor (a $70 million tax hike through the Homestead Property Tax and Earned Income Tax Credits).
Gov. Walker's solution: More of the same failed trickle down policies.
Worse, instead of offering new and innovative job creation policies, Gov. Walker is crisscrossing the country sweeping up unprecedented and unlimited campaign cash for the nearly $5 million in television ads he's run.
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Darla
LOL Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure wherever he is he is still residing on the planet earth. Maybe you can visit some time.
Bfgrn
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Oh, that's right..."It is their REFUSAL to take advantage of the plan that is costing them their jobs...
Now THAT is spin...
It is their REFUSAL to take advantage of a pay cut, benefit cuts and the lose of worker's rights...
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The Almighty
LMAO... so tell us Cypress, what portions of the government were cut? Funny how the author knows the exact number, but no mention of where the cuts were made.
I see your quote and raise you...
Are you just going to post random articles now? tell us, what does the private sector jobs in December have to do with Walker's plan?
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The Almighty
LMAO... so tell us Cypress... how about posting a chart with the amount of money Doyle 'borrowed' from other funds that the WI Supreme court ordered to be repaid?
You see, it is easy to post numbers. But when actually look into HOW they are created, you learn the whole story.
and since you love to harp on sources....tell us... who is Jim Rosenberg and why should we give a shit about anything he says?
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The Almighty
LMAO... they were not required to take a pay cut, they were asked to pay a portion of the benefits yes, they did not lose ANY rights.
But we do see what stomping your feet and acting like little children gets you... 519 teachers without a job. SMART.
Bfgrn
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Does Wisconsin have a budget deficit?
It depends on accounting method used
By Jason Stein of the Journal Sentinel
Jan. 22, 2012
Madison - Gov. Scott Walker's administration has touted for months its efforts to balance the state budget, but now it also has acknowledged a significant way in which the budget isn't balanced.
To keep the possibility alive of making further cuts to state health programs, the Walker administration quietly certified to the federal government on Dec. 29 that the state had a deficit.
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Expect More Arrests in Scott Walker Corruption Probe
A new round of criminal charges is coming soon against at least a couple of Gov. Scott Walker’s former county staffers for doing extensive campaign activity while on the taxpayers’ dime, sources say.
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It depends on accounting method used
By Jason Stein of the Journal Sentinel
Jan. 22, 2012
Madison - Gov. Scott Walker's administration has touted for months its efforts to balance the state budget, but now it also has acknowledged a significant way in which the budget isn't balanced.
To keep the possibility alive of making further cuts to state health programs, the Walker administration quietly certified to the federal government on Dec. 29 that the state had a deficit.
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Expect More Arrests in Scott Walker Corruption Probe
A new round of criminal charges is coming soon against at least a couple of Gov. Scott Walker’s former county staffers for doing extensive campaign activity while on the taxpayers’ dime, sources say.
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The Almighty
http://www.deptofnumbers.com/employment/wisconsin/
Employment Survey December 2011 Month/Month Year/Year
CES 2,739,500 -1,700 +3,200
CPS 2,838,411 +6,871 +21,369
Your boy used the CES numbers... while both are surveys, the CPS is going to tend to be the more accurate.
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The Almighty
Ok... so now you are going to post random articles on how you think Walker is evil. LOL... I accept your surrender.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Sayeth the king of the circular argument. No one said I was a ringer on all topics of science. I told you I was a ringer on the topic of evolutionary biology as I have a graduate level education in biology. You then made some undefensible statements that I clearly pointed out were wrong and then you proceeded to babble incoherently in circles. Since I couldn't make sense to the senseless, why try?
But if you want to make a fool of your self about ID again, open a new thread.