War on Children Scored a Major Victory Today

LadyT said:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/18/schip/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- House Democrats on Thursday failed to override President Bush's veto of a children's health insurance bill that opponents said was too expensive.:clink:

For a minute there I thought the little free loaders were going to have access to healthcare. - Not on my dime! :cool:
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I wish the reporter that authored the linked article would present the issue properly. The House Republicans blocked the veto override. The Democrats can't fail to do something that they lack the numbers to do.

Additionally, it would be nice to have some context on what opponents meant when they said it would be "too expensive," like comparing the cost of the SCHIP expansion to other costs, the Iraq War for example.
 
Dungheap said:
I wish the reporter that authored the linked article would present the issue properly. The House Republicans blocked the veto override. The Democrats can't fail to do something that they lack the numbers to do.

Additionally, it would be nice to have some context on what opponents meant when they said it would be "too expensive," like comparing the cost of the SCHIP expansion to other costs, the Iraq War for example.
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It would be better to compare it to something more comparable. Such as the cost to expand Medicaid over the proposed SCHIP expansion.
 
Yeah obstructionist Republicans are also blocking the evesdropping bill....
Strange how the press is playing this differently than a few years ago...
 
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This is great. The less children that are happy, alive and well, the less I'll have to pay in property taxes for schools. Its a win-win situation. Well, lose-lose for the kids and their families, but who cares about them!?!? They are probably poor anyway! I mean children can't even vote so its not like they really count for anything right?

Warmest Regards,
Card Carrying Republican.
 
LadyT said:
This is great. The less children that are happy, alive and well, the less I'll have to pay in property taxes for schools. Its a win-win situation. Well, lose-lose for the kids and their families, but who cares about them!?!? They are probably poor anyway! I mean children can't even vote so its not like they really count for anything right?

Warmest Regards,
Card Carrying Republican.
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Yeah.

this is going to bury them even more, and even so...this is very sad. It's upsetting. I can feel outrage, go down the whole what are we spending in Iraq every month, vs what this would cost...but for what? To send my blood pressure skyrocketing again? I have SF around for that.
 
Damocles said:
It would be better to compare it to something more comparable. Such as the cost to expand Medicaid over the proposed SCHIP expansion.
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I guess you're right. The SCHIP program relatively inexpensive is a good thing that benefits children whereas the war is an astronomically expensive disaster that benefits no one but military contractors. I suppose it would be an unfair comparison.
 
Dungheap said:
I guess you're right. The SCHIP program relatively inexpensive is a good thing that benefits children whereas the war is an astronomically expensive disaster that benefits no one but military contractors. I suppose it would be an unfair comparison.
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We could compare it to a myriad of things that really don't compare, like the whole cost of Social Security, or of the entire cost of public education by adding up the cost per capita.... none of them would be relevant.

If you want an actually balanced story with data to make logical decisions from you use things that compare. Such as the difference in cost between expanding the SCHIP program, or the Medicaid program that they could also be covered on.

If you want one that is specifically designed to a political political stance on the right you write about how it is "too expensive" with no comparative analysis, if you want one that is lefty you compare it to some very expensive unpopular and unrelated program/war, etc.
 
Damocles said:
We could compare it to a myriad of things that really don't compare, like the whole cost of Social Security, or of the entire cost of public education by adding up the cost per capita.... none of them would be relevant.

If you want an actually balanced story with data to make logical decisions from you use things that compare. Such as the difference in cost between expanding the SCHIP program, or the Medicaid program that they could also be covered on.

If you want one that is specifically designed to a political party you write about how it is "too expensive" with no comparative analisys, if you want one that is lefty you compare it to some very expensive unpopular and unrelated program/war, etc.
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Load of HORSESHIT.

He vetoed it because it costs too much. It is goddamned appropriate to point out what he is spending my fucking money on instead.

Killing children instead of giving them doctors.

HORSESHIT.
 
Darla said:
Load of HORSESHIT.

He vetoed it because it costs too much. It is goddamned appropriate to point out what he is spending my fucking money on instead.

Killing children instead of giving them doctors.

HORSESHIT.
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We are talking about the story, not the reason for his veto.

He vetoed it to convince some idiots that he really is a "conservative" on spending.
 
I love it, they finally made Bush veto something and its cancer treatment for little Maryann!
 
Damocles said:
We are talking about the story, not the reason for his veto.

He vetoed it to convince some idiots that he really is a "conservative" on spending.
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If we had kids, and you came home and said "that organic baby formula you wanted costs too much, I got this shit instead" and then the same night you had spent 3,000 dollars on golf clubs, and then told me it's not relevant because golf clubs are not comparable to baby formula, I would throw the nearest thing I had at your head.

It would be relevant in that case, and it's relevant in this case.
 
Oh well the ones needing it the most will the the religious ones that exempt from immunizations anyway. and their churches can take care of them with volunteerism.
 
Darla said:
If we had kids, and you came home and said "that organic baby formula you wanted costs too much, I got this shit instead" and then the same night you had spent 3,000 dollars on golf clubs, and then told me it's not relevant because golf clubs are not comparable to baby formula, I would throw the nearest thing I had at your head.

It would be relevant in that case, and it's relevant in this case.
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However, if I bought some baby food, then brought that home, just not the brand you wanted I could easily compare it.

When we are talking about specifically the cost of this as opposed to the price of something that can do the same thing, like Bush was proposing, you compare those costs.

(Not exactly the 'same thing' but I think, if you are being honest, you will see what I mean.)

I never said it was 'unfair' to write about the cost of war as opposed to this, I said that it wasn't balanced in the writing. Well I may have used the whole 'fox' thing but I believe, again, if you read what I posted and were honest with yourself you would know what I was talking about.
 
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