War with China

Into the Night said:
U.S. aircraft fly over Iran freely. There is nothing Iran can do to stop it.
They are free to invade Iran anytime they want to.
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The US has air superiority over much, but not all of Iran. It does not have air supremacy. That means that Iran cannot stop American fly overs in total, but will over time shoot down more and more of them.

Being able to fly over, and having boots on the ground are very different things. Worse yet, you are talking about an occupation, where we would be stuck trying to administer Iran.

Saddam in Iraq only cared about himself. He made no plans for after the central government collapsed, because he realized he was gone then. Iran cares about a nation, and an ideology. It has made nearly 50 years of plans about resisting an occupation. It is many times bigger than Iraq in every possible way. trump does not have the buildup in land forces that both the Bushes had.

I could go on and on, but invading Iran does not seem easy to me. I could be wrong.
 
Walt said:
The US has air superiority over much, but not all of Iran. It does not have air supremacy. That means that Iran cannot stop American fly overs in total, but will over time shoot down more and more of them.

Being able to fly over, and having boots on the ground are very different things. Worse yet, you are talking about an occupation, where we would be stuck trying to administer Iran.

Saddam in Iraq only cared about himself. He made no plans for after the central government collapsed, because he realized he was gone then. Iran cares about a nation, and an ideology. It has made nearly 50 years of plans about resisting an occupation. It is many times bigger than Iraq in every possible way. trump does not have the buildup in land forces that both the Bushes had.

I could go on and on, but invading Iran does not seem easy to me. I could be wrong.
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You are not wrong.
 
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said:
Yes, I agree.

What is China's role in the Iran war?​

As the number one importer of Iranian oil, China has a major problem with any constriction of exports in the Gulf - including the US blockade of Iran's ports, which began on Monday.

Beijing has condemned the US blockade, calling it "irresponsible and dangerous".
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And then what raghead? What the fuck are they going to do about it? They wouldn't have money to buy oil without America buying their products and propping up their economy. Even they know not to bite the hand that feeds them.

Go fuck your goat again and relieve some tension, you seem stressed.
 
ULTRA MAGA said:
And then what raghead? What the fuck are they going to do about it? They wouldn't have money to buy oil without America buying their products and propping up their economy. Even they know not to bite the hand that feeds them.

Go fuck your goat again and relieve some tension, you seem stressed.
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Laughable.
 
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said:

Trump puts China’s Xi ‘and the world’ on notice that the US is ‘very good at fighting’​



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i do not think China will back down.

i also do not think China will escalate anything.

What i think China will do is just send ships into Iran and basically dare the US to commit a war crime, against China, by blocking them. I do not think China will retaliate beyond using that to show it is the US who is the planets war mongering power and villain and not them.

And it is a war crime for the US to block them.
 
Blockades in International Waters are an Act of War.
  • Definition & Status: A blockade is a "belligerent operation" restricting navigation to/from an enemy state. It is legally recognized as an "act of war" that signals an international armed conflict. cite
UN Position on Blockades cite
  • Act of Aggression: UN General Assembly Resolution 3314 defines the blockading of a state’s ports/coasts by another’s armed forces as an act of aggression.
  • Maritime Law: The IMO asserts there is no legal basis to block international navigation in transit straits.
  • Self-Defense: While acts of war are forbidden, the UN Charter (Article 51) allows for proportional self-defense, which must be reported to the Security Council.
 
QP! said:
i do not think China will back down.

i also do not think China will escalate anything.

What i think China will do is just send ships into Iran and basically dare the US to commit a war crime, against China, by blocking them. I do not think China will retaliate beyond using that to show it is the US who is the planets war mongering power and villain and not them.

And it is a war crime for the US to block them.
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Or we can simply say fuck it and wipe out Irans ability to produce any oil at all in a matter of a few short hours. That is the last card in the deck and Trump will not be shy to play it if Iran pushes too much. Fuckum....They WILL tow the mark and bend the knee. Or have any money making ability wiped out for a very long time. Let the chips fall where they may.
 
Stone said:
Or we can simply say fuck it and wipe out Irans ability to produce any oil at all in a matter of a few short hours. That is the last card in the deck and Trump will not be shy to play it if Iran pushes too much. Fuckum....They WILL tow the mark and bend the knee. Or have any money making ability wiped out for a very long time. Let the chips fall where they may.
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accept he will be shy to play as it will impact oil prices and food prices severely thru the mid terms and beyond and voters will not tolerate it and he will relive his covid management backlash times 10.
 
QP! said:
accept he will be shy to play as it will impact oil prices and food prices severely thru the mid terms and beyond and voters will not tolerate it and he will relive his covid management backlash times 10.
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Trump doesn't care about the mid terms. This is his last term.
 
ULTRA MAGA said:
They wouldn't have money to buy oil without America buying their products and propping up their economy. Even they know not to bite the hand that feeds them.
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They would still have quite a big reserve of our money... And they are the one feeding us manufactured goods, so you would be the one biting the hand that feeds.

China is already making plans to sell off Treasurys to subsidies buying of oil. We can only hope that it does not come to this, because trump has us in a position where we need to borrow a lot of money. If China starts getting money back, while we are trying to get money, that means we have to outbid them for the money. That means super high interest rates, with a huge amount of debt, in other words, a death spiral.
 
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