Was 2020 election stolen or not?

[Into the Night]

Sane people realize that you are wrong and hope you are getting the mental health care you need, Matt.

Can't name a single thing Biden has done for America, eh? I thought so. You would rather just throw insults. No argument presented.

 

[Into the Night]

Not just "generally", there has never been a case where there were enough faithless electors to affect the election outcome.

Irrelevant extension of argument. Contextomy fallacy.

Nope, they didn't change the Constitution.

Yes they did.

They interpreted it exactly as written.

No they didn't.

The Constitution gives states the power to select electors and removing an elector who did not vote as pledged is a part of the selection process.

No, it doesn't. Go read it again.

You argued so yourself

when you claimed the state legislatures were going to replace Biden electors with those supporting Trump.

I never made that statement. I claimed the State legislatures and only the State legislatures can choose the electoral college members of that State. It cannot control how they vote.

If the Constitution allows the state to replace an entire slate of electors who voted as pledged it certainly would allow the replacement of a single elector who did not vote as pledged.

There was no replacement.

Exactly my point.
Those wanting to replace the electoral college do not want to do so because of faithless electors, but because the popular vote winner is not always the electoral college winner; thus, they want to abolish the EC so that popular votes determine the winner.

This part is seemingly true. The 'popular vote', however, is really the manipulated vote...in other words, election fraud.

 

[Into the Night]

The take away-here is that you never actually genuinely believed that the election was stolen by Venezuelans or that a Biden inauguration would herald the end of the Republic.

Because on January 6th you went about your business like it was a normal day, instead of heeding Trump's orders to fight like hell to save him and the country.

False dichotomy fallacy.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Can't name a single thing Biden has done for America, eh? I thought so. You would rather just throw insults. No argument presented.

Dude, you think all sorts of fucked up shit. If I didn’t know you were mentally ill, I’d think you were a dishonest conversationalist. There is no honest discussion with you due to your state of mind.

 

[Wolverine]

Why Matt? Matt Drudge? I suspected as much

He has this delusion that I am Matt Dillon! Of course I am not!

 

[Wolverine]

Dude, you think all sorts of fucked up shit. If I didn’t know you were mentally ill, I’d think you were a dishonest conversationalist. There is no honest discussion with you due to your state of mind.

Deflection, still no answer to the question typical though!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Deflection, still no answer to the question typical though!

Matt, INT/IBDa/gfm is a mentally ill. If he’s not, then he’s simply a dishonest poster. Say something he dislikes and he’ll say something like “Contextomy fallacy” or “No, they didn’t”. No explanations, no evidence. Just his opinion dressed as fact.

Like you, Matt, I forgive him because he can’t help himself.

 

[Wolverine]

The take away-here is that you never actually genuinely believed that the election was stolen by Venezuelans or that a Biden inauguration would herald the end of the Republic.

Because on January 6th you went about your business like it was a normal day, instead of heeding Trump's orders to fight like hell to save him and the country.

No answers huh, I get it, Joe sucks! There a D beside his name so you voted to destroy America!

 

[Into the Night]

Dude, you think all sorts of fucked up shit. If I didn’t know you were mentally ill, I’d think you were a dishonest conversationalist. There is no honest discussion with you due to your state of mind.

Psychoquackery. Insult fallacies. Bulverism fallacy. No argument presented.

 

[Into the Night]

He has this delusion that I am Matt Dillon! Of course I am not!

He has this delusion that anybody that disagrees with him must be a sock. There are several here with that delusion (or they might be socks! ). I find that when people turn to such idiocy, they are usually describing themselves.

 

[Into the Night]

Matt, INT/IBDa/gfm is a mentally ill. If he’s not, then he’s simply a dishonest poster. Say something he dislikes and he’ll say something like “Contextomy fallacy” or “No, they didn’t”. No explanations, no evidence. Just his opinion dressed as fact.

Like you, Matt, I forgive him because he can’t help himself.

QED

 

[LV426]

Masks don't work to stop a virus. They are utterly useless for that purpose.

So is that why there were record low flu cases last year? Because masks don't work?

 

[Flash]

I never made that statement. I claimed the State legislatures and only the State legislatures can choose the electoral college members of that State. It cannot control how they vote.

There was no replacement..

Into the Night 12/31
Currently, it looks like GA is going to choose Republican electors.
AZ looks like it might also, but seems to be further away from actually choosing.

What was this about? The electors from those states had already been selected, voted, and certified on December 14. If GA and AZ chose Republican electors they would be replacing the Democratic electors legally chosen according to the laws of those states.

If GA and AZ can choose electors a second time after already selecting them once then CO can choose an elector a second time.

 

[Into the Night]

Into the Night 12/31
Currently, it looks like GA is going to choose Republican electors.
AZ looks like it might also, but seems to be further away from actually choosing.

What was this about? The electors from those states had already been selected, voted, and certified on December 14.

They were not.

If GA and AZ chose Republican electors they would be replacing the Democratic electors legally chosen according to the laws of those states.

No, dude. Only the legislature can choose it's electors.

If GA and AZ can choose electors a second time after already selecting them once then CO can choose an elector a second time.

There was never first time nor a second time for either State. Both of these States filed contested. No electors were chosen.

 

[Flash]

There was never first time nor a second time for either State. Both of these States filed contested. No electors were chosen.

Of course they were. Because it is contested does not mean there is any validity to the challenge. The electors were chosen and certified on December 14 and Congress accepted those electoral votes and the electoral votes for both AZ and GA are part of the 2020 results.

Because you don't like the results does not mean you get to change reality. Fantasy fallacy.

Check the official record: the National Archive. https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/2020

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Psychoquackery. Insult fallacies. Bulverism fallacy. No argument presented.

I'll be sure to write that on the walls of public toilets across the land and sign it "Into the Night".

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
1. True, but the electoral vote is SUPPOSED to reflect the majority vote (popular) of the state. Now common sense tells one that if the popular vote goes to candidate A, then so should the electoral vote. BUT, once behind the blind/curtain, THERE IS NO WAY TO FORCE THE ELECTORAL REP TO VOTE THE STATE MAJORITY WAY. This is why many people are calling for the end of the electoral college,

This is not an issue in practice since very few electors fail to vote for the candidate to which they are pledged. 30 states have laws binding electors although they are not enforceable but they can be punished.

However, in 2016 CO voted for Clinton and one of the electors voted for Kasich. That elector was removed and in 2020 the Supreme Court upheld the power of CO to remove the elector.

I don't think people are calling for the end of the electoral college because of faithless electors (since there are so few) but because the popular vote winner does not always win the electoral vote.

Here's the completion of my quote for the reading audience, "....as it was originially enacted to insure equal representation from early post colonial states that had a sparse WHITE population (not superceded by native folk or slaves or a combination of both). The dubiousness of using this antiquated system is what stuck in Cheeto Jeezus' craw, because his ego couldn't stand the fact that the true "one man, one vote" edict in American DIDN'T WANT HIM."



As for your response....good for CO. However, given that in my life time there has been more than one occasion where the national tally of the electoral vote is not in sync with the popular vote. Like it or not, people either want the electoral vote to do what is was intended to do)reflect the majority vote of the state) or not exist. A matter of fact, a matter of history.

 

[Into the Night]

Of course they were. Because it is contested does not mean there is any validity to the challenge.

Nonsense statement. Try English. It works better.

The electors were chosen and certified on December 14

No, they weren't.

and Congress accepted those electoral votes and the electoral votes for both AZ and GA are part of the 2020 results.

Congress does not have authority to certify the election for the electoral college members.

Because you don't like the results does not mean you get to change reality. Fantasy fallacy.

There were no results. Denial of logic. Buzzword fallacies.

Check the official record: the National Archive. https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/2020

The National Archive does not certify electoral college members either.

Only the legislature of a State has the authority to choose it's electoral college members.

 

[Into the Night]

Here's the completion of my quote for the reading audience, "....as it was originially enacted to insure equal representation from early post colonial states that had a sparse WHITE population (not superceded by native folk or slaves or a combination of both). The dubiousness of using this antiquated system is what stuck in Cheeto Jeezus' craw, because his ego couldn't stand the fact that the true "one man, one vote" edict in American DIDN'T WANT HIM."



As for your response....good for CO. However, given that in my life time there has been more than one occasion where the national tally of the electoral vote is not in sync with the popular vote. Like it or not, people either want the electoral vote to do what is was intended to do)reflect the majority vote of the state) or not exist. A matter of fact, a matter of history.

The President is not elected by popular vote. It's really very simple.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The President is not elected by popular vote. It's really very simple.

Correct.