We need better gun reform: 23 shot at Oklahoma lake party

countryboy said:
It's impossible to access guns while in prison.

Still pushing that both sides nonsense?
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Federal inmate tried to shoot visitor at Arizona prison camp

A federal prison inmate who was able to obtain a firearm at a prison camp in Arizona pulled out the gun in a visitation area and attempted to shoot a visitor in the head, The Associated Press has lear...
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Federal inmate obtained a gun at Arizona prison, attempted to shoot visitor in the head

A federal prison inmate who was able to obtain a firearm at a prison camp in Arizona reportedly pulled out the gun in a visitation area and attempted to shoot a visitor in the head.
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It is possible, just highly unlikely.
 
Jake Starkey said:
You better give us some facts, or sit down. Your opinion by itself is meaningless.
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You're not in charge here, lol. It's obvious why you don't want to show a breakdown by city. Because you already know the answer, and you're just a fucking liar like every other gun grabbing piece of shit. So take your little statistics, and write them down with a sharpie on a large sheet of aluminum foil, ball it up as tight as you can, and shove it right up your left wing piece of shit ass. And please know that I mean that with no due respect.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
www.yahoo.com

Federal inmate tried to shoot visitor at Arizona prison camp

A federal prison inmate who was able to obtain a firearm at a prison camp in Arizona pulled out the gun in a visitation area and attempted to shoot a visitor in the head, The Associated Press has lear...
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

www.fox10phoenix.com

Federal inmate obtained a gun at Arizona prison, attempted to shoot visitor in the head

A federal prison inmate who was able to obtain a firearm at a prison camp in Arizona reportedly pulled out the gun in a visitation area and attempted to shoot a visitor in the head.
www.fox10phoenix.com www.fox10phoenix.com

It is possible, just highly unlikely.
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My point is, when violent criminals are locked up they aren't a threat to civilized society at large. It's a very small number of individuals who commit most of the crime.
 
countryboy said:
My point is, when violent criminals are locked up they aren't a threat to civilized society at large. It's a very small number of individuals who commit most of the crime.
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My view is we lock them up the first time unless they receive a life sentence, then they get offed instead. If while in prison, they commit additional serious or violent crimes we off them. If they keep coming back to prison for violent, serious crimes, we off them.

You get maybe two chances to figure out you're fucking up being a serious, violent criminal. After that, we kill you and were done with you. You have your chances to straighten out.

There is zero reason to keep someone around after they've committed repeated violent crimes and prison as a deterrent clearly isn't working.
 
Grim Reaper said:

📊 City-Level Gun Violence Patterns​

City (2024 data)Approx. shootings per yearMayor’s party affiliationContext
Chicago, IL~2,800 shootingsDemocraticLarge population, concentrated poverty, gang activity.
Philadelphia, PA~1,500DemocraticHigh density, long-term gun trafficking issues.
Houston, TX~1,200Democratic (since 2016)Urban sprawl, firearm prevalence, state-level lax gun laws.
Dallas, TX~800DemocraticSimilar to Houston; state-level gun access drives numbers.
St. Louis, MO~600DemocraticSmall city, very high per-capita rate.
Memphis, TN~600DemocraticHigh poverty and firearm ownership rates.
Indianapolis, IN~500RepublicanIllustrates that violence is not exclusive to Democratic governance.

🔍 Key Takeaways​

  • Urbanization, poverty, and gun availability are the dominant predictors — not party affiliation.
  • Most large U.S. cities lean Democratic, so raw counts naturally skew that way, but per-capita rates vary widely.
  • Republican-led states often have higher overall gun death rates (including suicides), while Democratic-led states have higher urban homicide concentrations.
  • No credible dataset shows a causal link between party control and mass-shooting frequency.

🧠 Bias Check​

Countryboy’s rebuttal (“Dishonest nonsense”) reflects motivated reasoning — rejecting data that doesn’t fit a partisan narrative. Jake Starkey’s summary aligns with nonpartisan sources like Newsweek, Statista, and Gun Violence Archive, which emphasize complex causality rather than party blame.

✅ Bottom Line​

Gun violence is a socioeconomic and cultural issue, not a partisan one. Cities with Democratic mayors dominate shooting statistics because most major U.S. cities are Democratic, not because of their policies. When adjusted for population and firearm density, no consistent partisan pattern emerges.
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Key takeaway

All demoncrap controlled cities.
 
Grim Reaper said:
Reducing a multivariable dataset to a partisan slur isn’t analysis, it’s diagnostic. You’re showing you can identify labels, but not causes.
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First its not a slur its a fact. Its also a fact that demoncraps (insulting you idiots doesnt change the facts) are light on crime and you have no actual interest in the "rule of law" as you claim. BTW demoncraps are the cause.

So instead of whining like a little bitch tell us what the plan is you have to fix this problem.
 
You keep yelling demoncraps like it’s a data point, then demand a policy plan while refusing to name a single variable beyond your insult of the week. If you actually had a cause‑and‑effect argument, you wouldn’t need the tantrum to prop it up.
Yakuda said:
First its not a slur its a fact. Its also a fact that demoncraps (insulting you idiots doesnt change the facts) are light on crime and you have no actual interest in the "rule of law" as you claim. BTW demoncraps are the cause.

So instead of whining like a little bitch tell us what the plan is you have to fix this problem.
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Grim Reaper said:
You keep yelling demoncraps like it’s a data point, then demand a policy plan while refusing to name a single variable beyond your insult of the week. If you actually had a cause‑and‑effect argument, you wouldn’t need the tantrum to prop it up.
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I didnt demand anything as I didnt start the thread. I sure did name a variable but you're too blind or stupid. Cities run by demoncraps are shitholes. Another variable is demoncraps are light on crime. Cashless bail another brilliant demoncrap idea. Look I really do try to take you people seriously but its useless as not a one of you is a serious thinker. You're what Thomas Sowell calls a first level thinker. Thats all you'll ever be.
 
Yakuda said:
I didnt demand anything as I didnt start the thread. I sure did name a variable but you're too blind or stupid. Cities run by demoncraps are shitholes. Another variable is demoncraps are light on crime. Cashless bail another brilliant demoncrap idea. Look I really do try to take you people seriously but its useless as not a one of you is a serious thinker. You're what Thomas Sowell calls a first level thinker. Thats all you'll ever be.
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You keep yelling demoncraps like it’s a statistic, then pretend you named a variable because you repeated an insult. That’s not analysis, that’s emotional noise. Quoting Sowell while refusing to think past your own punchlines is the most first‑level‑thinker move in the room.
 
Grim Reaper said:
You keep yelling demoncraps like it’s a statistic, then pretend you named a variable because you repeated an insult. That’s not analysis, that’s emotional noise. Quoting Sowell while refusing to think past your own punchlines is the most first‑level‑thinker move in the room.
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Are the cities you listed run by demoncraps or no? Have demoncraps instituted cashless bail or not? Are Demoncraps light on crime or not? Lets save time shall we the answer is yes. Get tougher on crime or it will continue to happen. You keep talking about me but Im talking about the effect of demoncrap policies on the cities they control. Done like it? Oops
 
Jake Starkey said:
All very dense urban communities where people live and breathe elbow to elbow.

It is sociology not politics.
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yeah and? What do you think should be done about it and explain how better gun reform would make them less dense urban communities where people wont have to live elbow to elbow?

Are people required to live there?
 
Yakuda said:
Are the cities you listed run by demoncraps or no? Have demoncraps instituted cashless bail or not? Are Demoncraps light on crime or not? Lets save time shall we the answer is yes. Get tougher on crime or it will continue to happen. You keep talking about me but Im talking about the effect of demoncrap policies on the cities they control. Done like it? Oops
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repeating demoncraps doesn’t turn vibes into data. Crime rates don’t track party lines, cashless bail exists in only a few states, and the research shows demographics and economics drive crime, not your favorite insult. If you’ve got numbers, post numbers. If not, you’re just narrating your feelings.
 

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The numbers he posted are roughly in the correct range for Black population percentages in those cities, based on U.S. Census Bureau estimates.

But — and this is the key —population percentages do not prove causation.

Listing demographics is not the same as demonstrating a link between race and crime.


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No. Criminologists overwhelmingly agree that race is not a causal factor in crime rates.

The strongest predictors of violent crime are:

  • concentrated poverty
  • income inequality
  • housing segregation
  • underfunded schools
  • lack of economic mobility
  • policing strategy
  • population density
  • age distribution
These factors correlate with historical segregation, redlining, and resource deprivation, which disproportionately affect Black communities — but race itself is not the cause.

Authoritative sources:

  • Brennan Center for Justice
  • National Institute of Justice
  • American Sociological Association
  • FBI Uniform Crime Reports (UCR)
  • CDC National Center for Health Statistics
All of them emphasize structural conditions, not race.


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This claim is not supported by evidence.

Why?

✔️ Crime is concentrated in​

Large cities — regardless of political leadership — have higher crime rates than suburbs or rural areas.This is a universal pattern across countries.

✔️ Many large U.S. cities lean Democratic​

So the correlation is city size, not party.

✔️ When comparing similar‑sized cities, party control does NOT predict crime​

Example:

  • Some Republican‑led cities have high violent crime rates (e.g., Jacksonville, Tulsa, Oklahoma City).
  • Some Democratic‑led cities have lower rates than expected for their size.

✔️ Crime rose and fell nationally under both parties​

The 2020 spike happened nationwide, including in Republican‑led cities.The 2022–2024 declines also happened nationwide.

Conclusion: There is no consistent causal link between party control and crime rates.
 
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