We now have solid proof that after Trump and Project 2025, the future of the GOP is Nazism

[cawacko]

This is not incompetence. ICE agents specifically hide their identities, and destroy records to avoid being punished for their crimes. They are now claiming to have destroyed all the records of who they have arrested. They have held some American citizens for months without any access to the outside world. No one knows who they have deported to foreign hellhole prisons.

This will not get called out. It is the new normal.


Germany had courts, a free press, and elections that called out bad actions and held people accountable. It took a decade of actions to undermine all that, because Germany's liberal democracy was still new. It would take longer for us.

What disturbs me is that you seem fine with the baby steps of undermining it all. As long as we are not at the end of the journey, you are fine with us being at the beginning of the journey. The problem with that is once we lose all the protections of our freedoms, there is no way to protect our freedoms.

American citizens in Chicago had hand grenades thrown into their homes. ICE then arrested them without warrants, or any evidence of a crime. They were illegally held for days without contact with the outside world. When they finally got to court, ICE claims they lost all the records of who was involved with the raid.

But the people involved were Black, so I suppose it is OK with you. Whites are not being attacked.

This thread has really turned into something. I’ll address the personal part second.

You’re way off base. Nothing I’ve said excuses abuse or racism.

In America we have courts, a press, and elections that still function and keep us from becoming anything close to a totalitarian state. America is not Nazi Germany.

Now for the personal part. Nothing quite like a smug white liberal. When all else fails, call someone a racist. You don’t have a clue about me, Walt. Come out to Oakland, California, where I grew up. See where I went to school and who I hung out with. See who I still hang out with today.

But you don’t know any better, so it’s all good. You get your echo chamber likes, which is what matters.

 

[cawacko]

This is all being deliberately orchestrated by The Federalist Society and their hand picked SC Justices.

It was clear that majority minority rule in America was at the tipping point and many, even in Republican circles recognized it as inevitable with the shifting demographics.

To stop that reality the only way is to basically destroy the Constitution and the premise of a gov't 'for the people, by the people' and to replace that with Corporations and dark money having equal (greater) voice in elections, enabling extreme partisan gerrymandering, and to destroy the Voting Act legislation.

By doing the above you can destroy the power of 'one person, one vote' and 'citizens picking their gov't' and replace it with those in gov't and holding current powers, picking the Constituents who will have outsized value in voting. while basically nullifying the votes of massive swaths of people (brown and black).

It is this extreme gerrymandering that demands Politicians now pander to the extremes on the right and left and not the center, meaning they must play to the worst of human nature and not the best. Simply getting rid of extreme gerrymandering would require most politicians campaign to the center as you could not create 'safe districts' inmost areas compromised of big voting blocks on the extremes. And we would see the extreme polarization of people diminish and things calm down substantially.

I actually agree with you on the gerrymandering part. When politicians draw safe districts, we lose more centrist voices and debate suffers.

But that’s separate from what I was saying. My point was about the breakdown in discussion itself, how people throw around words like Nazi or fascist etc. the moment someone disagrees with them. You went deep into the political mechanics, which might be true in parts, but it’s not what I was arguing.

 

[Tobytone]

We now have solid proof that the future of the GOP after Trump is unabated Nazism

I get asked a lot about what comes after Donald Trump. Will the Republican Party go back to its conservative roots? Will it continue on a path of absurdity? Will things get better or worse for Republicans? I always replied with TBD.

These same questions have been raised for years, ever since Trump won in 2016 and took a wrecking ball to the Mitt Romney, George H.W. Bush, and Lamar Alexander moderate conservatism. They look like Democrats today.

Pundits and politicians continue to debate the future of the GOP after Trump, all with different takes, including some who echo my TBD. Well, TBD no more: After a shocking Politico report on Tuesday, we now know the answer.

The future of the Republican Party is unabated Nazism.

The answer is no longer a hypothetical. The next generation of GOP leaders have made it crystal clear what’s ahead, and it is terrifying. Leaked Telegram texts among Young Republican leaders reveal a culture steeped in anti-Semitism, racism, misogyny, and violent fantasies.

It is language so extreme it defies belief. It’s also ruinous, and given how far the U.S. has fallen so far under the reign of Trump, Nazism as a Republican platform is not out of the question.

It is language so extreme it defies belief. It’s also ruinous, and given how far the U.S. has fallen so far under the reign of Trump, Nazism as a Republican platform is not out of the question.

According to Politico, Peter Giunta, then chair of the New York State Young Republicans, wrote that anyone who voted against him would be sent to a “gas chamber” and boasted of creating “the greatest physiological torture methods known to man.” As Politico explained, he was "referring to an upcoming vote on whether he should become chair of the Young Republican National Federation, the GOP’s 15,000-member political organization for Republicans between 18 and 40 years old."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/now-solid-proof-trump-project-130003719.html

First off, you brain-dead libtards couldn't define a Nazi if one goose-stepped up and bitch-slapped you. Hell, if you actually knew what they were, you'd be enlisting in their fan club faster than you can scream fascist.

You've served up jack shit except the same tired fake news diarrhea, zero proof for your wild-ass claims, business as usual for you propaganda-peddling dipshits. Every libtard infestation in the press, on TV, universities, and Hollywood has torched their credibility with thousands of debunked hoax stories, exposed as the fraudulent fairy tales they are. Democrats love projecting their own actions and beliefs, accusing everyone else of their pet sins, and this Nazi-smearing circus is Exhibit A.

Newsflash, dumbasses: the Nazi party was a straight-up socialist nightmare soaked in unapologetic racism, seizing industries and strangling every corner of life with their deranged, top-down policies. Sound familiar? The only gap between Nazis and the Democrat cult is your willful denial of your own bigotry. It's glaring and ironclad that you're the real racists here, unlike rational folks like me who judge solely on actions and ideas, melanin be damned.

You repulsive, radicalized zombies fixate on skin tone first, then twist your words, deeds, standards, and 'solutions' to match, like textbook bigots on steroids. Every libtard policy is a blueprint for de facto slavery aimed at everyone but whitey, proven in court and history a million times over.

I dream of the day we can cheer a black pilot, doctor, or lawyer without the nagging doubt they clawed there on merit, not the lowered-bar handouts you racist libtards engineered to 'level the playing field.' Tons of black people I know seethe at you condescending white saviors, shoving your patronizing 'you need special rules to compete' bigotry down their throats, an elitist plague the Democrats caught generations ago.

So quit the bullshit and cough up real evidence: anyone of actual consequence hawking your fever-dream ' republican beliefs,' not some tabloid clickbait screed loaded with he-said-she-said receipts. I specified consequence, not random online losers who quite likely are not even be on the right but libtard plants. That said, every political sewer has its nutjobs. If cherry-picking a handful of fringe loons 'proves' a party's soul, buckle up, dumbasses. I'd bury you under an avalanche of deranged libtard rants and daily psychotic outbursts that make your side look like the asylum it truly is.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You’re misunderstanding me, Frank. I’m not saying people shouldn’t speak out. I’m saying there’s a difference between discussion and trying to shut people up by labeling them Nazis, fascists etc. That kind of thing just shuts people down instead of getting anywhere.

Speak out all you want, but discussion goes both ways.

Agreed. Shutting people down by over shouting them, threatening them or otherwise attacking them is wrong. IMO, it's evil. Worse, any elected official who abuses their office in such a matter should be condemned, as well as all the stupid fucks who support such corruption.

Do you agree, cawacko? Do I know you by another name?

 

[QP!]

I actually agree with you on the gerrymandering part. When politicians draw safe districts, we lose more centrist voices and debate suffers.

But that’s separate from what I was saying. My point was about the breakdown in discussion itself, how people throw around words like Nazi or fascist etc. the moment someone disagrees with them. You went deep into the political mechanics, which might be true in parts, but it’s not what I was arguing.

ya i was speaking tangentially and should have said that.

But the nazi and fascist, stuff is a direct out flow from what i said. The lack of civility and treating politics like a team sport where even if your team does wrong, you hate the other team so much you over look it and blame the other guy.

This is all purposely created by the SC as part of the Federalist Society plan. They need citizens tearing at one another and not focused on the fact that the US citizens are giving up and losing all their rights. They need them fighting over Trans and other silly issues.

The SC has been systemically stripping Congress of all its powers and pushing them to the Executive, while maintaining they, the SC, can still check the executive. And that is because while they will allow a GOP Potus to run amok they want to make sure they can check a Dem one, and fast. People ask why all these SC rulings for Trump tend to be so vague and lack specifics. Even judges at below courts are complaining about that as they do not have enough guidance to apply them.

The answer to that is they want it vague, because if they apply hard and fast and clear rules a Dem Potus may be able to exploit them and they want the ability to stop a Dem Potus and to have enough room to find "reasons".

 

[cawacko]

ya i was speaking tangentially and should have said that.

But the nazi and fascist, stuff is a direct out flow from what i said. The lack of civility and treating politics like a team sport where even if your team does wrong, you hate the other team so much you over look it and blame the other guy.

This is all purposely created by the SC as part of the Federalist Society plan. They need citizens tearing at one another and not focused on the fact that the US citizens are giving up and losing all their rights. They need them fighting over Trans and other silly issues.

The SC has been systemically stripping Congress of all its powers and pushing them to the Executive, while maintaining they, the SC, can still check the executive. And that is because while they will allow a GOP Potus to run amok they want to make sure they can check a Dem one, and fast. People ask why all these SC rulings for Trump tend to be so vague and lack specifics. Even judges at below courts are complaining about that as they do not have enough guidance to apply them.

The answer to that is they want it vague, because if they apply hard and fast and clear rules a Dem Potus may be able to exploit them and they want the ability to stop a Dem Potus and to have enough room to find "reasons".

I get what you’re saying, and I agree polarization has gotten worse And people treat politics like a sport where the goal is to beat the other side instead of solving problems.

But I don’t think it’s part of some master plan. To me, a lot of it is social media driven in that it’s all about outrage and clicks. That’s what brings attention, “owning” people on social media and the cable talk shows.

It’s not a conspiracy, It’s just what happens when outrage gets rewarded.

 

[QP!]

I get what you’re saying, and I agree polarization has gotten worse And people treat politics like a sport where the goal is to beat the other side instead of solving problems.

But I don’t think it’s part of some master plan. To me, a lot of it is social media driven in that it’s all about outrage and clicks. That’s what brings attention, “owning” people on social media and the cable talk shows.

It’s not a conspiracy, It’s just what happens when outrage gets rewarded.

And it is because people do not see this very deliberate path the SC has been on and John Roberts wrote about decades ago, that it can work. That so many people think it is just coincidence and no design.

The Federalist Society also does not hide that this was a 30+ year plan of very carefully interviewing and courting certain judges and then slowly pushing the ones aligned with the project to the top.

it is not mere coincidence and while Social Media gave the perfect platform to pour gasoline on the division, it is the gerrymandering that does the most damage.

When it is the politicians playing to the worst aspects of the far left and right because they cannot win a primary otherwise, that elevates the extremes to a position over the median voters, who have far greater numbers but way less voice. Get rid of extreme gerrymandering and make districts so they are not safe and then the path to win is being centrists and appealing across the district. Instantly that changes how politicians and who they elevate. The extremes go back to the fringe.

 

[Walt]

Robert Kennedy Jr made a statement such as 'time to give the "Experts" a break', as his way of saying he (his gov't department) does not value the views of experts and will seek their information elsewhere.

I was begging for a reporter to challenge him by asking if he felt the same away about an Airplane or car his family was about to take a trip in that had severe engine problems.

Would he want the "experts" (engineers and mechanics) to step aside and allow him and his internet buddies to deal with the problem?

I think, he would of course say 'No', while trying to spin the human body is somehow a less important and complicated machine and thus does not need "experts".

Kennedy literally wants to "give infectious disease a break for eight years", and see how much disease can spread in eight years. The experts say definite millions, and probably tens of millions of Americans would die. Kennedy's idea would be worse than all our wars combined.

But Kennedy is a great expert in human health right? I mean don't we all want worms in our brain?

 

[Walt]

This thread has really turned into something.

Our country has turned into something. This thread is very pleasant by comparison.

American Blacks have almost entirely been here since the legal importation of slaves in 1808. That means not just that they are US citizens, but have been here for well over 200 years. When ICE agents raided a Chicago building with Venezuelans and American Blacks in it, they knew the American Blacks were US citizens.

They still threw hand grenades into their homes, and arrested them. They held some of the AMERICAN CITIZENS for a week to try to get them to sign paperwork saying they had not been mistreated.

"Arresting" someone to force them to sign paperwork saying they were not mistreated is not anywhere near legal. It is called kidnapping. Throwing a hand grenade into someone's home unprovoked is called aggravated assault (along with a dozen other felonies).

In America we have courts, a press, and elections that still function and keep us from becoming anything close to a totalitarian state. America is not Nazi Germany.

We are losing the courts, press, and elections, much like Nazi Germany lost all. Nazi Germany had courts, press, and elections at first. He, like trump, started getting rid of all of them.

In Nazi Germany, it took about a decade. Our hope is that it will take longer in the USA, and that trump is far older. The idea that "it cannot happen here" is the first step to allowing it to happen here. "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." We should not surrender the protection of our freedoms because we believe it cannot happen here.

Come out to Oakland, California, where I grew up.

Wow, that claim of your makes throwing a hand grenade into a Black persons home just fine....

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Kennedy literally wants to "give infectious disease a break for eight years", and see how much disease can spread in eight years. The experts say definite millions, and probably tens of millions of Americans would die. Kennedy's idea would be worse than all our wars combined.

But Kennedy is a great expert in human health right? I mean don't we all want worms in our brain?

Sad, but the good news is that most of the dead will be MAGAts. Those that survive will have expensive medical bills....especially after the Republicans cut off support and leave them hanging in the breeze. In Trumpworld, the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. LOL

 

[Walt]

Sad, but the good news is that most of the dead will be MAGAts. Those that survive will have expensive medical bills....especially after the Republicans cut off support and leave them hanging in the breeze. In Trumpworld, the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. LOL

The thing about infectious diseases is spending a lot to prevent one case makes sense. It prevents the spread to others, which explodes the cost of treatment. If we had prevent Covid with a billion dollars, that would have been a great deal.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The thing about infectious diseases is spending a lot to prevent one case makes sense. It prevents the spread to others, which explodes the cost of treatment. If we had prevent Covid with a billion dollars, that would have been a great deal.

Agreed. Prevention is cheaper than curing or funerals.

OTOH, MAGAts don't have a problem burying other people's children. Let's see how they like it when it's their kids or grandkids. LOL

 

[Ross Dolan]

I actually agree with you on the gerrymandering part. When politicians draw safe districts, we lose more centrist voices and debate suffers.

Great. I also agree with that.

But that’s separate from what I was saying. My point was about the breakdown in discussion itself, how people throw around words like Nazi or fascist etc. the moment someone disagrees with them. You went deep into the political mechanics, which might be true in parts, but it’s not what I was arguing.

MOST PEOPLE DO NOT. I certainly do not. But in this moment...I DO...because in this moment it is appropriate and tells the story of its appropriateness the best way possible.

I, personally, have never used the words Nazi or Fascist for any president during my lifetime...until this present Nazi-like fascist-like abomination came to office. I've never even considered those words to describe any president prior to this one.

And as I have mentioned several times, over one-third of ALL the presidents who have ever served...have served during my lifetime.

 

[QP!]

Kennedy literally wants to "give infectious disease a break for eight years", and see how much disease can spread in eight years. The experts say definite millions, and probably tens of millions of Americans would die. Kennedy's idea would be worse than all our wars combined.

But Kennedy is a great expert in human health right? I mean don't we all want worms in our brain?

i say this without hyperbole.

Kennedy seems to believe in a version of 'only the strong should survive' type evolution and that those with health issues should be left to fight it or die based on a more naturopath type fight.

If you listen to him he seems to think we have been making civilizations weaker by providing medicines and care that keeps people alive who otherwise would die, allowing those people to mate and weaken the gene pool whereas if they died and only the strong survived, society would get better and stronger.

And while there is some truth and science behind that view, it is a monstrous thing to try and implement, and i do think that is what he is doing now.

 

[cawacko]

Our country has turned into something. This thread is very pleasant by comparison.

American Blacks have almost entirely been here since the legal importation of slaves in 1808. That means not just that they are US citizens, but have been here for well over 200 years. When ICE agents raided a Chicago building with Venezuelans and American Blacks in it, they knew the American Blacks were US citizens.

They still threw hand grenades into their homes, and arrested them. They held some of the AMERICAN CITIZENS for a week to try to get them to sign paperwork saying they had not been mistreated.

"Arresting" someone to force them to sign paperwork saying they were not mistreated is not anywhere near legal. It is called kidnapping. Throwing a hand grenade into someone's home unprovoked is called aggravated assault (along with a dozen other felonies).


We are losing the courts, press, and elections, much like Nazi Germany lost all. Nazi Germany had courts, press, and elections at first. He, like trump, started getting rid of all of them.

In Nazi Germany, it took about a decade. Our hope is that it will take longer in the USA, and that trump is far older. The idea that "it cannot happen here" is the first step to allowing it to happen here. "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." We should not surrender the protection of our freedoms because we believe it cannot happen here.


Wow, that claim of your makes throwing a hand grenade into a Black persons home just fine....

Nah, we're done here Walt. Go troll somewhere else.

 

[Earl]

Our country has turned into something. This thread is very pleasant by comparison.

American Blacks have almost entirely been here since the legal importation of slaves in 1808. That means not just that they are US citizens, but have been here for well over 200 years. When ICE agents raided a Chicago building with Venezuelans and American Blacks in it, they knew the American Blacks were US citizens.

They still threw hand grenades into their homes, and arrested them. They held some of the AMERICAN CITIZENS for a week to try to get them to sign paperwork saying they had not been mistreated.

"Arresting" someone to force them to sign paperwork saying they were not mistreated is not anywhere near legal. It is called kidnapping. Throwing a hand grenade into someone's home unprovoked is called aggravated assault (along with a dozen other felonies).


We are losing the courts, press, and elections, much like Nazi Germany lost all. Nazi Germany had courts, press, and elections at first. He, like trump, started getting rid of all of them.

In Nazi Germany, it took about a decade. Our hope is that it will take longer in the USA, and that trump is far older. The idea that "it cannot happen here" is the first step to allowing it to happen here. "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." We should not surrender the protection of our freedoms because we believe it cannot happen here.


Wow, that claim of your makes throwing a hand grenade into a Black persons home just fine....

Walter, AKA WWW (Wrong Way Walter), I believe you are a Nazi.

Do better, WWW.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Now for the personal part. Nothing quite like a smug white liberal. When all else fails, call someone a racist. You don’t have a clue about me, Walt. Come out to Oakland, California, where I grew up. See where I went to school and who I hung out with. See who I still hang out with today.

But you don’t know any better, so it’s all good. You get your echo chamber likes, which is what matters.

When all else fails, MAGAts label someone a "smug, white liberal". The fact you don't get the irony that the statement is racist is truly delicious, wacko. LOL

Clue? Anyone who reads your posts knows you are MAGA through and through. Did you ever take the oath? I'm guessing not. At least you aren't a traitor like you fellow MAGAts who did take the oath so you have that going for you.

 

[cawacko]

Great. I also agree with that.



MOST PEOPLE DO NOT. I certainly do not. But in this moment...I DO...because in this moment it is appropriate and tells the story of its appropriateness the best way possible.

I, personally, have never used the words Nazi or Fascist for any president during my lifetime...until this present Nazi-like fascist-like abomination came to office. I've never even considered those words to describe any president prior to this one.

And as I have mentioned several times, over one-third of ALL the presidents who have ever served...have served during my lifetime.

That’s fair, but that’s also kind of my point. Everyone thinks this time is the exception, that this moment is different, so the extreme language is justified. So George W. Bush wasn’t really a Nazi when people called him one, but Trump now is?

Each side keeps raising the rhetoric because they think their cause is righteous. At some point it just becomes about proving the other side is evil.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

That’s fair, but that’s also kind of my point. Everyone thinks this time is the exception, that this moment is different, so the extreme language is justified. So George W. Bush wasn’t really a Nazi when people called him one, but Trump now is?

Each side keeps raising the rhetoric because they think their cause is righteous. At some point it just becomes about proving the other side is evil.

Yeah, it's all the fault of those goddamn fucking fascist Lefties!!! LOL

August 22, 2023

Why Trump and His Supporters Keep Calling Democrats 'Fascists'

Republican audiences have come to associate fascists and Nazis with ideological leftism. How did that happen?

time.com

On Monday, August 14, a Georgia grand jury indicted Donald Trump and 18 allies, the most famous of which was his former attorney and New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani. In an interview the next day, Giuliani shared on WABC radio’s Greg Kelly Show that he was anxious to fight the case, claiming defiantly “We’re going to beat these fascists into the ground.”

Among Trump and his allies, the “fascist” label has been growing in popularity as an epithet for Democrats. Following his indictments, Trump has repeatedly referred to “radical left Democrats” as “fascists” And not just any old fascists. On August 1st, for example, Trump posted on Truth Social that the persecution he’d experienced from the “Biden Crime Family” was “reminiscent of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.”


In our hyper-polarized national discourse, politicians calling their opponents “fascists” and comparing them to “Nazis” may seem sadly commonplace. But traditionally the labels seemed more ideologically consistent. Democrats have long compared Republicans to fascists, because the term traditionally carried with it the idea of right-wing extremism. Just as Republicans often referred to their partisan rivals as “commies” and “socialists,” terms typically associated with extreme leftism. So to hear Republicans like Trump, Giuliani, and Marjorie Taylor Greene turn the “fascist” and “Nazi” labels on Democrats is a bit more curious.

 

[Ross Dolan]

That’s fair, but that’s also kind of my point. Everyone thinks this time is the exception, that this moment is different, so the extreme language is justified. So George W. Bush wasn’t really a Nazi when people called him one, but Trump now is?

Each side keeps raising the rhetoric because they think their cause is righteous. At some point it just becomes about proving the other side is evil.

Or we can sit quiet, stay silent...and not disturb Trump's efforts to subvert our democracy and our Republic.

Toning down the rhetoric, in this instance, is like staying silent. What the other side is doing makes what this side is doing seem tame.

Okay, you cannot see that...and are convinced we should do otherwise.

I, and many of the people on my side of the fence, disagree with that.

In any case, I do not think the other side is evil, necessarily. It may simply be misguided. Many of the people who supported (or did not actively oppose) Hitler in mid 20th century Germany were NOT evil...they were misguided.

Whether you are not actively opposing Trump and his policies because you are evil or misguided...same result.