BartenderElite
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Do you know what dementia is?
Also, I didn't say it was a scandal. Just that bias is a factor, which you just confirmed.
Weak Sanctions Will Not Stop Anything, Brandon
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Do you know what dementia is?
Also, I didn't say it was a scandal. Just that bias is a factor, which you just confirmed.
You are deflecting. How do you know what President Biden didn’t change Putins plans?
So you want to sanction a country before it does anything?
I totally disagree with that.
Then countries could just make up stuff that another country might do...just as an excuse to sanction them.
The only reason Putin did what he did was because Biden gave him the opportunity by making up all this 'invasion' bullshit.
With not a HINT of evidence.
Ron Paul:
'But this whole thing is a farce. As I see it, here is the Ukraine crisis in a nutshell:
Biden to Putin: “Don’t invade Ukraine.”
Putin to Biden: “We have no intention of invading Ukraine.”
Biden to the US media: “Putin is about to invade Ukraine!”
Then Biden’s top officials proceed to embarrass themselves by warning that the invasion was imminent. Or it’s coming next Tuesday, or Wednesday, or surely before the end of the Olympics. Does anyone think they have any credibility left with their constant hysterical warnings?
Meanwhile “US intelligence” continues to leak incendiary information – likely self-serving – to a US media that has lost any interest in skepticism toward any “scoop” handed down by US government officials.'
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archive...sis-a-nightmare-caused-by-us-interventionism/
https://gwynnedyer.com/2022/ukraine-the-invasion-never-comes/
https://gwynnedyer.com/2022/world-war-2-1/
https://ericmargolis.com/2022/01/stop-the-neocons-from-starting-a-war/
The Donbass Regions OVERWHELMINGLY voted to split from Ukraine almost 8 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums
It is their region now to do with as they please.
And - since Kiev insists on killing any citizens whom try and leave their country - the Donbass region has (understandably) asked for Russian assistance to stop the bloodshed.
Russian troops going into these regions will simply push the Ukraine forces out of territory they no longer own.
And I do not give a crap about the nonsense that the separation was 'against Ukrainian law'. Their law says no one can leave without the rest of the country agreeing - which obviously it will NEVER do. So it is a joke.
In Canada? If a province wants to leave? All that is required is a 2/3'rds majority of that province wanting to leave (and I assume they take their share of the national debt on a per capita basis).
That is how the civilized world does it.
Plus, the only reason the rest of the world gives a shit about this is because they do not want to give regions in their own countries a hope that they can split if they really want to.
Plus, Biden is CLEARLY doing all this to cover up the fact that his numbers are crumbling and the economy is falling apart with 40 year high inflation and GDP numbers falling to the floor.
But - with respect - I am TOTALLY against placing sanctions on a country for doing NOTHING wrong.
reagansghost
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They were not much of a deterrent to begin with. However... yeah, that was poorly worded. The sanctions should have fallen heavily and immediately when they crossed the border of a different sovereign nation that we said not to or you will get sanctions....
Do not threaten sanctions you are afraid to use after they do what you said they should not because you think that weak sanctions on the sovereign territory of the annexed sections of the nation invaded will be the "threat" that does it.
reagansghost
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Again, the alternative would have been not to wade into this swamp to begin with. Take action when US interests are in play, let Europe handle European interests.
What US interest is in play in the Ukraine?
BartenderElite
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No more NATO, then?
BartenderElite
Verified User
It's kind of interesting to call Biden's actions "weak," then say we shouldn't have done ANYTHING.
Ukraine is not in NATO. No NATO nations have been invaded, nor were any threatened in any way. This is not a NATO thing.
If you are going to act be definitive not weak.
reagansghost
eternal
US interests are the same interests as the rest of the civilized world when it comes to world peace
so your alternative to sanctions is to kowtow to Putin's aggression, look the other way, let other nascent democracies sink or swim on their own
not surprised, simpleton
reagansghost
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We are not the world police, nor should we be. In this case it would be best served to ask first what US interests are here, and when the answer is none, then allow the nations with interests there to act.
It was described in the OP. If you threaten strong sanctions and then the nation does exactly what you told them would cause them, you put in the strong sanctions until and if they change their actions. Weakly sanctioning the folks that just got annexed cannot possibly seem effective to you.
One thing I am glad on this one. Brandon at least understands it isn't our issue enough to keep our forces away from Ukraine.
Ukraine is not in NATO but most of Europe is along with the US. Putin's actions are a threat peace in Europe and so are a threat to NATO.
If you put the sanctions on before the invasion, Brandon, they are not much of a deterrent are they?
How are they working now?
reagansghost
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ah, so you're saying Biden should be ignoring the situation
love to see what load of shit you'd have for us then
fact is, when anyone criticizes anything they are irrelevant until they propose an alternative
which you clearly cannot
So you say.