What about Christian correctness at conservative colleges?

[leaningright]

Again that's not the point. When any institution does these things I don't consider them as acting according to Christ's teachings. It's a lot different from how you run your Christian household.

"Students have been expelled for being LGBT; professors have been fired or forced to resign for coming out as transgender; for getting pregnant outside marriage or for getting divorced; discriminating against students and faculty who are LGBT, female or pregnant; calling on students to “end those Muslims” by carrying concealed weapons discriminate against women; use the Bible as a science text and fire professors who disagree."

I'll get raked over the coals for this but I can see the bolded part and don't necessarily disagree with it, nor do I feel it is that out of line with the teachings of Christ. I would not expect any of that to be tolerated at a "Christian" school. I would have to question the validity of the stuff that follows...especially about the Muslims. The line about women probably stems from the belief of some Christians that women are not to usurp authority over a man. Using the Bible as a science text probably is talking about teaching Creationism...but I would expect that at a "Christian" school, wouldn't you?

 

[christiefan915]

I'll get raked over the coals for this but I can see the bolded part and don't necessarily disagree with it, nor do I feel it is that out of line with the teachings of Christ. I would not expect any of that to be tolerated at a "Christian" school. I would have to question the validity of the stuff that follows...especially about the Muslims. The line about women probably stems from the belief of some Christians that women are not to usurp authority over a man. Using the Bible as a science text probably is talking about teaching Creationism...but I would expect that at a "Christian" school, wouldn't you?

Jesus would accept those people in the bolded part. It doesn't mean he wouldn't preach to them but he wouldn't hate them.

Falwell Jr. made his comments after the San Bernardino shootings.

The president of Liberty University urged students at the Christian school to carry concealed weapons on campus to counter any possible armed attack like the mass killings in San Bernardino, Calif.
"Let's teach them a lesson if they ever show up here," President Jerry Falwell Jr. told students at a convocation Friday.

"I've always thought if more good people had concealed carry permits, then we could end those Muslims before they walked in," Falwell said.

 

[christiefan915]

Falwell Jr. also said student Democrats couldn't tie their organization to Liberty University. Read the comment below from the email. The Democratic party is about so much more than abortion or gay marriage. And Liberty also implied that Democrats were socialists, another falsehood.

"It was the fall of 2008, and Liberty University suddenly found itself dealing with a problem it had never before encountered in its more than 40-year history: College Democrats.

The largest evangelical Christian university in the world, whose doctrinal statement at the time declared its “strong commitment to political conservatism, total rejection of socialism and firm support for America’s economic system of free enterprise,” had never had a chapter of the student organization on its campus.

For a while, the newly formed group went about its business as College Dems at any other school would. They held meetings and drank too much coffee and campaigned aggressively for Barack Obama. But the following spring, the club’s leadership received an e-mail from the vice president of student affairs: “I must inform you that the College Democrats club is no longer going to be recognized as a Liberty University club,” it read. “We are unable to lend support to a club whose parent organization stands against the moral principles held by Liberty University.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-students-to-attend-a-bernie-sanders-speech/

 

[leaningright]

Jesus would accept those people in the bolded part. It doesn't mean he wouldn't preach to them but he wouldn't hate them.

I absolutely agree with this but I don't think He would hire them to teach at His school.

Falwell Jr. made his comments after the San Bernardino shootings.

The president of Liberty University urged students at the Christian school to carry concealed weapons on campus to counter any possible armed attack like the mass killings in San Bernardino, Calif.
"Let's teach them a lesson if they ever show up here," President Jerry Falwell Jr. told students at a convocation Friday.

"I've always thought if more good people had concealed carry permits, then we could end those Muslims before they walked in," Falwell said.

Well, Falwell is an idiot so ... there's that. I don't want him teaching my kid either.

I looked at that article (I read it the other day) as using quotes from an idiot like Falwell to take shots at "Christian" universities for taking legitimate "Christian" positions with regards to faculty and student body.

 

[Celticguy]

Jesus would accept those people in the bolded part. It doesn't mean he wouldn't preach to them but he wouldn't hate them.

Falwell Jr. made his comments after the San Bernardino shootings.

The president of Liberty University urged students at the Christian school to carry concealed weapons on campus to counter any possible armed attack like the mass killings in San Bernardino, Calif.
"Let's teach them a lesson if they ever show up here," President Jerry Falwell Jr. told students at a convocation Friday.

"I've always thought if more good people had concealed carry permits, then we could end those Muslims before they walked in," Falwell said.

Jesus would forgive their sins and tell them to sin no more. But they generally don't see it as sinning and don't seek forgiveness.

 

[Norah]

I go to a Christian university. When I applied and enrolled I knew exactly what it meant to be a student here and so do all of the other students that enroll here, otherwise they wouldn't have applied. It's a choice to apply and then enroll in the college that you choose, especially private Christian universities where you know it's different than a public state school.

 

[christiefan915]

I go to a Christian university. When I applied and enrolled I knew exactly what it meant to be a student here and so do all of the other students that enroll here, otherwise they wouldn't have applied. It's a choice to apply and then enroll in the college that you choose, especially private Christian universities where you know it's different than a public state school.

Hi Norah, I like your new name!

Do you think it's fair to scrutinize and comment on liberal institutions but not conservative ones?

 

[Celticguy]

Hi Norah, I like your new name!

Do you think it's fair to scrutinize and comment on liberal institutions but not conservative ones?

Christian ones. It's a vital difference.

 

[christiefan915]

Christian ones. It's a vital difference.

Same question applies.

 

[Celticguy]

Same question applies.

well, your question involves wondering why a christian school is not behaving as a non christian school might.

sure you can ask the question but the answer is pretty obvious.

as Miss Norah pointed out, she specifically wanted a christian school because, among other reasons pertaining to her educational goals, budget etc etc etc, because it did behave in the ways you note.

if you wanted to pursue a career in, say, hard science you would gravitate to an MIT sort of place as opposed to a liberal arts one (liberal arts meant as per the original meaning).

 

[christiefan915]

well, your question involves wondering why a christian school is not behaving as a non christian school might.

sure you can ask the question but the answer is pretty obvious.

as Miss Norah pointed out, she specifically wanted a christian school because, among other reasons pertaining to her educational goals, budget etc etc etc, because it did behave in the ways you note.

if you wanted to pursue a career in, say, hard science you would gravitate to an MIT sort of place as opposed to a liberal arts one (liberal arts meant as per the original meaning).

My point is that if it's fair for some to think of liberal institutions as being amoral hotbeds of communism and lack of scruples, it's also fair for others to think of Christian or conservative institutions as being rigid, controlling and biased.

I don't hold it against people who go to Christian schools or liberal schools. It's a matter of choice.

 

[Celticguy]

My point is that if it's fair for some to think of liberal institutions as being amoral hotbeds of communism and lack of scruples, it's also fair for others to think of Christian or conservative institutions as being rigid, controlling and biased.

I don't hold it against people who go to Christian schools or liberal schools. It's a matter of choice.

it would be easy to describe (some) secular schools as being rigid controlling and biased.

Some have forbade conservative political groups, white only ones, straight only ones while allowing progressive, black or non heterosexual ones.

a bias is not a bias if you agree with it. Miss Norah shares the christian bias, Master Bobby did not choose the other biases but gets them like it or not.

 

[midcan5]

I don't know of any liberal Christian schools, do you? And your second comment is exactly the point, that those schools are not allowing free speech because of all their prohibitions.

Yale, Georgetown? would be examples even though conservative in many areas. Most Catholic schools are more open to ideas than fundamentalist schools, but imo PC is just another bit of baloney used to distract from the issues. It is sorta like the liberal media, just part of a narrative to keep the wingnuts occupied.

 

[Norah]

Hi Norah, I like your new name!

Do you think it's fair to scrutinize and comment on liberal institutions but not conservative ones?

I think it's fair to scrutinize and comment on any institution as long as its coming from an informed point of view. If a school is deserving of scrutiny for something that I think is personally wrong then as long as i'm not guessing about the facts or lying about it then it's fair to give an opinion I think. I don't agree with what alot of universities do or campaign for but ultimately I don't go to that school. If my school started to do things that I didn't like then I would comment on it, I would try and organize, and I would try to make my voice heard, but if that didn't work and my school started to do things that I don't agree with without any hope of it stopping then i'd transfer. In my opinion the reason why alot of the more liberal secular schools get on the news is because of their political stances and their publicizing of those stances. You don't hear about Abilene Christian on the news all that often outside of west Texas because they don't go out of their way to make news and also the students here want to be here for the reasons that the school exists.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

He ends with nonsense. Private colleges are not the state.

Oh spare us that trite libertarian nonsense. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy.

I'm sorry but I've been to both and seen the product of both and by any objective measure the education you receive at a conservative parochial school may fit far more into ones world view but compared to a quality liberal arts education they are indeed second rate institutions of education by any objective measure.

Most conservative parochial schools teach a student how to advance their lives within an insular community and not the broad scope of society and humanity at large thus when they have to deal with those they tend to be woefully unprepared.

 

[evince]

I think it's fair to scrutinize and comment on any institution as long as its coming from an informed point of view. If a school is deserving of scrutiny for something that I think is personally wrong then as long as i'm not guessing about the facts or lying about it then it's fair to give an opinion I think. I don't agree with what alot of universities do or campaign for but ultimately I don't go to that school. If my school started to do things that I didn't like then I would comment on it, I would try and organize, and I would try to make my voice heard, but if that didn't work and my school started to do things that I don't agree with without any hope of it stopping then i'd transfer. In my opinion the reason why alot of the more liberal secular schools get on the news is because of their political stances and their publicizing of those stances. You don't hear about Abilene Christian on the news all that often outside of west Texas because they don't go out of their way to make news and also the students here want to be here for the reasons that the school exists.

if they aught you FACTS you don't like would you be angry with them?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Yale, Georgetown? would be examples even though conservative in many areas. Most Catholic schools are more open to ideas than fundamentalist schools, but imo PC is just another bit of baloney used to distract from the issues. It is sorta like the liberal media, just part of a narrative to keep the wingnuts occupied.

Often those who decry against political correctness are being hypocrites in that they are being politically correct about their bigotry.

I like to call them on that.

 

[evince]

political correctness is the prevailing public opinion.


that is it.



the right wants people to stop noticing their racism

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

I don't know of any liberal Christian schools, do you? And your second comment is exactly the point, that those schools are not allowing free speech because of all their prohibitions.

Christians are neither liberal nor conservative on the whole (though they do TEND to be conservative on SOME social issues).

That said... are you trying to compare private colleges/universities with public ones?

 

[CFM]

I don't know of any liberal Christian schools, do you? And your second comment is exactly the point, that those schools are not allowing free speech because of all their prohibitions.

That should tell you that there isn't such a thing as a Liberal Christian.