What Charges Will Be Made Against the Next Conservative Nominee?

[Old Trapper]

Again, Trump never said that. He said that there were nice folks on both sides of the issue, history preservationists vs. statue haters. Either your assuming that preservationists are all White Supremacists or you lack reading comprehension. So which is it?

Again with the usual stupidity, and lack of comprehension. Nothing else to be expected from the mindless right wing. Now we call race baiters, racists, etc., "preservationists", and those who oppose the statues that were placed around the area long after the Civil War as a celebration of racism, as "statue haters". Really quite childish, and a demonstration of the low IQ that permeates the right wing Trump supporters. Then too, in your support of stupidity you want others to believe that simply because he said there were "nice people" on both sides of the issue that somehow that eliminates the idea that he said some of the White Supremacists were "nice people".

In answer to your fallacious question, yes, all of what you now call "history preservationists" are of the White Supremacist mentality, and that would include the KKK, White Nationalists, etc. The ones that it would not include would be honest historians if any support the erection of the statues of which I have heard of none. If you know of a group, or even an individual, that supports the statues that is not of the racist mentality then please post their site, or whatever fantasy website you might have.

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/20...ments-history-charlottesville-white-supremacy

"The debate over Confederate monuments has been framed by President Donald Trump — and some who share his views — as a fight between those who wish to preserve history and those who would “erase” it. But let us linger on what history we’ll be preserving as long as Confederate memorials stand.

The Confederate monuments in New Orleans; Charlottesville, Virginia; Durham, North Carolina, and elsewhere did not organically pop up like mushrooms. The installation of the 1,000-plus memorials across the US was the result of the orchestrated efforts of white Southerners and a few Northerners with clear political objectives: They tended to be erected at times when the South was fighting to resist political rights for black citizens. The preservation of these monuments has likewise reflected a clear political agenda.

It is going to take equal energy and focus to remove them from the national landscape.

But the story of the monuments is even stranger than many people realize. Few if any of the monuments went through any of the approval procedures that we now commonly apply to public art. Typically, groups like the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC), which claimed to represent local community sentiment (whether they did or did not), funded, erected, and dedicated the monuments. As a consequence, contemporaries, especially African Americans, who objected to the erection of monuments had no realistic opportunity to voice their opposition.

Most Confederate monuments were, in short, the result of private groups colonizing public space."

 

[MAGA MAN]

Again with the usual stupidity, and lack of comprehension. Nothing else to be expected from the mindless right wing. Now we call race baiters, racists, etc., "preservationists", and those who oppose the statues that were placed around the area in the '50's as a celebration of racism, as "statue haters". Really quite childish, and a demonstration of the low IQ that permeates the right wing Trump supporters. Then too, in your support of stupidity you want others to believe that simply because he said there were "nice people" on both sides of the issue that somehow that eliminates the idea that he said some of the White Supremacists were "nice people".

In answer to your fallacious question, yes, all of what you now call "history preservationists" are of the White Supremacist mentality, and that would include the KKK, White Nationalists, etc. The ones that it would not include would be honest historians if any support the erection of the statues of which I have heard of none. If you know of a group, or even an individual, that supports the statues that is not of the racist mentality then please post their site, or whatever fantasy website you might have.

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/20...ments-history-charlottesville-white-supremacy

AHA Statement on Confederate Monuments (August 2017)

The following affiliated societies have endorsed this statement:

American Association for State and Local History
American Journalism Historians Association
Berkshire Conference of Women Historians
Chinese Historians in the United States
Committee on LGBT History
Coordinating Council for Women in History
Forum on European Expansion and Global Interaction (FEEGI)
French Colonial Historical Society
Labor and Working Class History Association
National Council on Public History
New England Historical Association
North American Conference on British Studies
Organization for American Historians
Social Welfare History Group
Society for French Historical Studies
Society for Historians of the Gilded Age and Progressive Era
Society for Italian Historical Studies
Society for the History of Children and Youth (SHCY)
Society for the Study of Southern Literature
Southern Historical Association
Western Association of Women Historians
Western History Association
Western Society for French History
World History Association

President Donald Trump was correct in his tweet of August 16: “You can’t change history, but you can learn from it.” That is a good beginning, because to learn from history, one must first learn what actually happened in the past. Debates over removal of monuments should consider chronology and other evidence that provide context for why an individual or event has been commemorated. Knowledge of such facts enables debate that learns “from history.”

https://www.historians.org/news-and...rotest/aha-statement-on-confederate-monuments

 

[Old Trapper]

https://www.historians.org/news-and...rotest/aha-statement-on-confederate-monuments

As usual, you present only what a jerk off like you, as demonstrated by the cartoon you posted wants others to see, and not the whole of the story. Here are two such examples of your own stupidity:

"Understanding the specific historical context of Confederate monuments in America is imperative to informed public debate. Historians who specialize in this period have done careful and nuanced research to understand and explain this context. Drawing on their expertise enables us to assess the original intentions of those who erected the monuments, and how the monuments have functioned as symbols over time. The bulk of the monument building took place not in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War but from the close of the 19th century into the second decade of the 20th. Commemorating not just the Confederacy but also the “Redemption” of the South after Reconstruction, this enterprise was part and parcel of the initiation of legally mandated segregation and widespread disenfranchisement across the South. Memorials to the Confederacy were intended, in part, to obscure the terrorism required to overthrow Reconstruction, and to intimidate African Americans politically and isolate them from the mainstream of public life. A reprise of commemoration during the mid-20th century coincided with the Civil Rights Movement and included a wave of renaming and the popularization of the Confederate flag as a political symbol. Events in Charlottesville and elsewhere indicate that these symbols of white supremacy are still being invoked for similar purposes"

"Nearly all monuments to the Confederacy and its leaders were erected without anything resembling a democratic process. Regardless of their representation in the actual population in any given constituency, African Americans had no voice and no opportunity to raise questions about the purposes or likely impact of the honor accorded to the builders of the Confederate States of America. The American Historical Association recommends that it’s time to reconsider these decisions."


Now, I ask again "If you know of a group, or even an individual, that supports the statues that is not of the racist mentality then please post their site, or whatever fantasy website you might have." Your example is not one of support for the statues even is again it does show your own stupidity, and lack of understanding of the issue.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

I would like fewer surprises next go-around.

Don't put up someone so dirty that "both" sides know about ahead of time to provide theater and distraction for the donor classes’ societal wealth redistribution scam.

 

[MAGA MAN]

As usual, you present only what a jerk off like you, as demonstrated by the cartoon you posted wants others to see, and not the whole of the story. Here are two such examples of your own stupidity:

"Understanding the specific historical context of Confederate monuments in America is imperative to informed public debate. Historians who specialize in this period have done careful and nuanced research to understand and explain this context. Drawing on their expertise enables us to assess the original intentions of those who erected the monuments, and how the monuments have functioned as symbols over time. The bulk of the monument building took place not in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War but from the close of the 19th century into the second decade of the 20th. Commemorating not just the Confederacy but also the “Redemption” of the South after Reconstruction, this enterprise was part and parcel of the initiation of legally mandated segregation and widespread disenfranchisement across the South. Memorials to the Confederacy were intended, in part, to obscure the terrorism required to overthrow Reconstruction, and to intimidate African Americans politically and isolate them from the mainstream of public life. A reprise of commemoration during the mid-20th century coincided with the Civil Rights Movement and included a wave of renaming and the popularization of the Confederate flag as a political symbol. Events in Charlottesville and elsewhere indicate that these symbols of white supremacy are still being invoked for similar purposes"

"Nearly all monuments to the Confederacy and its leaders were erected without anything resembling a democratic process. Regardless of their representation in the actual population in any given constituency, African Americans had no voice and no opportunity to raise questions about the purposes or likely impact of the honor accorded to the builders of the Confederate States of America. The American Historical Association recommends that it’s time to reconsider these decisions."


Now, I ask again "If you know of a group, or even an individual, that supports the statues that is not of the racist mentality then please post their site, or whatever fantasy website you might have." Your example is not one of support for the statues even is again it does show your own stupidity, and lack of understanding of the issue.

What part of "reconsider these decisions" and "democratic process" do you not understand? Let me give you a clue: None of the mobs that vandalized and destroyed historical monuments did not do so by democratic process.

 

[Old Trapper]

What part of "reconsider these decisions" and "democratic process" do you not understand? Let me give you a clue: None of the mobs that vandalized and destroyed historical monuments did not do so by democratic process.

You are such a predictable ass it isn't even fun anymore. You don't even understand the concept of "without anything resembling a democratic process", or "Events in Charlottesville and elsewhere indicate these symbols of white supremacy are still being invoked for similar purposes". And that was from the site you posted which, BTW, did not indicate any group that was supportive of the statues, just one that agreed the topic must be discussed DEMOCRATICALLY which would include Blacks this time.

 

[MAGA MAN]

You are such a predictable ass it isn't even fun anymore. You don't even understand the concept of "without anything resembling a democratic process"...

Oh really? Have any Confederate memorials that were destroyed done so due to a democratic process? Or are you confused with big D "Democratic" and small d "democratic"?

That's one reason why I insist on calling your Party the Democrat Party, as to avoid this type of confusion.

 

[Old Trapper]

Oh really? Have any Confederate memorials that were destroyed done so due to a democratic process? Or are you confused with big D "Democratic" and small d "democratic"?

That's one reason why I insist on calling your Party the Democrat Party, as to avoid this type of confusion.

Again with the predictability. I have no party, and vote for the most qualified, not some lying, thieving, cowardly, pervert.

Now, I guess you, as usual, ignored all of the comment just to "focus" on your favorite lie.

First off, what "democratic process" were the statues erected under? Privately funded, and erected on public land.

Next, according to Faux News most of them have been removed due to some form of democratic process. You, in your constant state of stupidity, will not be able to see that:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/21/which-confederate-statues-were-removed-running-list.html

 

[MAGA MAN]

Again with the predictability. I have no party, and vote for the most qualified, not some lying, thieving, cowardly, pervert.

Now, I guess you, as usual, ignored all of the comment just to "focus" on your favorite lie.

First off, what "democratic process" were the statues erected under? Privately funded, and erected on public land.

Next, according to Faux News most of them have been removed due to some form of democratic process. You, in your constant state of stupidity, will not be able to see that:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/21/which-confederate-statues-were-removed-running-list.html

I'm always amused when a person who writes like a liberal can't admit that they are whole with the Party of D. Then go on with a disparaging remark about our President.

The monuments were erected within a "democratic" process if they are on public property, as that would require approval from the elected body that oversees planning.

I didn't ax you which ones where moved to museums, but which were destroyed or vandalized.

 

[Old Trapper]

I'm always amused when a person who writes like a liberal can't admit that they are whole with the Party of D. Then go on with a disparaging remark about our President.

Depends on the topic dipshit. And Trump is a lying piece of shit no decent person would support.

The monuments were erected within a "democratic" process if they are on public property, as that would require approval from the elected body that oversees planning.

Even your own source says there was no "democrat process" fool:

"Nearly all monuments to the Confederacy and its leaders were erected without anything resembling a democratic process"

I didn't ax you which ones where moved to museums, but which were destroyed or vandalized.

Then you should have read the source I posted asshat. Out of the 30+ listed it would appear as if 2 were actually destroyed.

But, in your usual delusional state, you want to ignore the 28+ that were not, and were removed by a democratic process.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Depends on the topic dipshit. And Trump is a lying piece of shit no decent person would support.



Even your own source says there was no "democrat process" fool:

"Nearly all monuments to the Confederacy and its leaders were erected without anything resembling a democratic process"



Then you should have read the source I posted asshat. Out of the 30+ listed it would appear as if 2 were actually destroyed.

But, in your usual delusional state, you want to ignore the 28+ that were not, and were removed by a democratic process.

Approval by a city or county board is a democratic process.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Approval by a city or county board is a democratic process.

America's "democratic" process is controlled economically. Read the Powell Memorandum. The plan was laid out long ago.

 

[Nordberg]

It all depends on what the next one has done. We have to know his list of crimes and how much the federalist society paid him .

 

[Irish Exit]

I would like fewer surprises next go-around.

I personally hope he nominates his sister just to see Rachel Maddow start twitching and pulling out her own hair.

 

[Old Trapper]

Approval by a city or county board is a democratic process.

Post a cite where it says such approval was given.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Post a cite where it says such approval was given.

From 1870?

 

[Teflon Don]

I would like fewer surprises next go-around.

The question isn't about what charges will be leveled. We all know that the demalquedacrats will sink to new lows in order to try to get their way.

The real question is what will NeverTrumpers like Jeff Flake do? Will they let their hatred of Trump blind them to doing the right thing like when McShamnesty voted against repeal of ObamaCare? Interestingly, NeverTrumpers claimed that repealing ObamaCare was a goal of theirs. But, I have never seen one come out and criticize McShamnesty for that vote.

Odd isn't it?

 

[Old Trapper]

From 1870?

How about 1950? Most of the statues, etc., were erected during the fight for civil rights.

 

[Old Trapper]

The question isn't about what charges will be leveled. We all know that the demalquedacrats will sink to new lows in order to try to get their way.

The real question is what will NeverTrumpers like Jeff Flake do? Will they let their hatred of Trump blind them to doing the right thing like when McShamnesty voted against repeal of ObamaCare? Interestingly, NeverTrumpers claimed that repealing ObamaCare was a goal of theirs. But, I have never seen one come out and criticize McShamnesty for that vote.

Odd isn't it?

What is odd is your never having the balls to criticize your right wing sycophants. Actually it is not odd at all considering your lack of integrity, and intelligence.

The vast majority of the people (you know, those that don't matter to a right winger thus are "forgotten") support the ACA. And the Repugnant Party has nothing to replace it with so all they can do is whine to distract from the consequences of their actions.

It is not a hate of Trump that drives people, and irritates the hell out of useful idiots like you, it is love of country, and concern for others, that drives them, and triggers all kinds of emotions in you.

 

[Teflon Don]

What is odd is your never having the balls to criticize your right wing sycophants. Actually it is not odd at all considering your lack of integrity, and intelligence.

The vast majority of the people (you know, those that don't matter to a right winger thus are "forgotten") support the ACA. And the Repugnant Party has nothing to replace it with so all they can do is whine to distract from the consequences of their actions.

It is not a hate of Trump that drives people, and irritates the hell out of useful idiots like you, it is love of country, and concern for others, that drives them, and triggers all kinds of emotions in you.

I am sorry if you aren't paying attention, but I criticize republicans ALL the time. I have criticized Trump when I thought it was needed. That I don't fall into the base hatred you liberals do is your problem not mine

Regardless of whether you wanted ObamaCare is irrelevant to what I said. McShamnesty ran on repealing ObamaCare. He made a point of it when he stood for re-election. Then the fucker turned his back on voters. That is why I believe his glioblastoma was karma for his betrayal. In the end he was left shitting his own pants not remembering his own name. I hope his suicide was painful, but I doubt it was. They probably loaded him up with lorazepam and morphine until his respirations stopped