What Critical Race Theory Teaches

guno said:
As our Nation continues to struggle with racial inequality and motivated young people strive to make their voices heard, we must understand how history has impacted the present and start to generate solutions.
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I’m so happy and grateful we have people like you to make for a better world.



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guno said:
As our Nation continues to struggle with racial inequality and motivated young people strive to make their voices heard, we must understand how history has impacted the present and start to generate solutions.
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Unfortunately for many they have zero interest in history or how things came about- as if history began @ their birth or coming of age, anything prior is irrelevant... I wish I was joking or being sarcastic, but I'm not... :|
 
cawacko said:
I looked it up, sounds very interesting but is it bad to say the subject doesn’t get my juices flowing?

Kind of ironically I was listening to Hard Knock Radio this afternoon which is a progressive black radio program (the irony because they briefly discussed CRT) and the person getting interviewed is behind a hip hop hall of fame. I got fired up listening. It was pretty awesome.
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cawacko said:
I looked it up, sounds very interesting but is it bad to say the subject doesn’t get my juices flowing?

Kind of ironically I was listening to Hard Knock Radio this afternoon which is a progressive black radio program (the irony because they briefly discussed CRT) and the person getting interviewed is behind a hip hop hall of fame. I got fired up listening. It was pretty awesome.
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You'd never heard of Shackleton you cannot be serious.
 
Jack said:
The 'timing' of what you teach is the critical part. If little Johnny in Fifth grade feels he's been victimized all his life, he will grow up with that attitude. I don't think that is healthy for anyone.
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Of course if he, his family etc have actually been victimized then???
 
Jack said:
:) I support Brotherhood and National Unity.
Yugoslavia was once a Country. Then they began talking about what one village did to this other village 500 years ago, and it led to the last war on the European Continent.
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It was, & not for very long either, especially if you minus the wars/occupations.. It was a cluster fuck forever & after Tito it was inevitable IMHO.. They never asked or voted to put it together & they one by one left it @ first chance.. So did Czechoslovakia, Spain still has several regions looking to bail out & have voted accordingly..

Here is a nice map of Europe since about 1,600 BC, only thing that remained the same WAS CHANGE..
 
Cypress said:
I do not think real history classes are even taught until high school.

I do not think anyone has proposed leading workshops for first graders to discuss history's most notorious lynchings.

I think I had a pretty good working knowlege of the Holocaust by the time I was 12. It did not cause me to hate German people. I knew from a young age that people in my family had been disappeared into the Gulag. But I did not grow up fearful of Russians.

I do not buy the premise that we are going to cause kids to hate White people. It is just a talking point Sean Hannity would love for us to believe. Kids are a little more resilient and discriminating than that.
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cawacko said:
If you got to choose one or two big things what do you think is being left out of our current curriculum today in terms of teaching history?
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I don't think it is as monolithic as you are portraying. Different states focus on different parts-what "children" learn in Calif history will not be the same as is taught in New York or Texas.

IMHO as kids get older they should be exposed to varying points of view & allowed to come to their own conclusions.

That said, a huge healthy portion of ppl don't care about history PERIOD so are only interested in passing the test & nothing more.

I think most adolescents begin to learn there are varying POV & different ways to view things, events etc..

I can only speak from my experience-I have two adult kids now that are left leaning, & two adult kids that are right leaning.

When they were growing up I always attempted to present multiple sides to the story/events etc

Of course I had much more time to do that then a paid educator w/ one hour & a curriculum full of requirements set by everyone but them..

I think most of us learned far more history after leaving school then during, as history, of whatever sort is merely one of many subjects focused on......
 
Jack said:
The 'Holocaust' was perpetuated by the 'Enemy', it doesn't divide Americans.

When Rome enslaved other Europeans, it was seen as Victors enslaving Losers.
It was 'white' people enslaving 'white' people for no other reason than losing some Battle.

Slavery in America is framed differently. The Narrative for slavery in America is 'White Superiority'.
Africans becoming Slaves in Africa after losing some Battle is never mentioned.
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That is hardly the story since importation of ppl from Africa for the slave trade was banned 1808.. So after that those born here-enslaved here were not the results of some far off "war"..
 
Bill said:
I don't think it is as monolithic as you are portraying. Different states focus on different parts-what "children" learn in Calif history will not be the same as is taught in New York or Texas.

IMHO as kids get older they should be exposed to varying points of view & allowed to come to their own conclusions.

That said, a huge healthy portion of ppl don't care about history PERIOD so are only interested in passing the test & nothing more.

I think most adolescents begin to learn there are varying POV & different ways to view things, events etc..

I can only speak from my experience-I have two adult kids now that are left leaning, & two adult kids that are right leaning.

When they were growing up I always attempted to present multiple sides to the story/events etc

Of course I had much more time to do that then a paid educator w/ one hour & a curriculum full of requirements set by everyone but them..

I think most of us learned far more history after leaving school then during, as history, of whatever sort is merely one of many subjects focused on......
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I hear you man and agree with a lot of what you are saying here. The argument being made as I understand it is we are not teaching enough facts about racial history within the classroom so that's what I was focusing on. But I completely agree about how much learning takes place outside class and hearing various viewpoints and attempting to critically think about it etc.
 
cawacko said:
Thank you, looks like I got me some reading to do.

I was thinking in context of more racial history in line with the OP. We teach about slavery and Jim Crow and the civil rights movement among other topics. What, if anything, would you like to see added in that regard?
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:thinking: I think that is partially true. I took Black History in HS & they taught that but that wasn't complete, @ least in my experience.

As an example jim crow, they mentioned voting, arrests but nothing about vacancy laws for free labor, the impact it had on family etc etc etc..
 
Bill said:
:thinking: I think that is partially true. I took Black History in HS & they taught that but that wasn't complete, @ least in my experience.

As an example jim crow, they mentioned voting, arrests but nothing about vacancy laws for free labor, the impact it had on family etc etc etc..
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I mentioned this in another post that you hate to think of education as a zero sum game because it's not. But the reality is kids are only in the classroom for so many hours; thus we have to prioritize what we teach and how deep into the weeds can we get on various topics. That's where I was coming from here.
 
Jack said:
The Bible talks of Slavery. Were they 'Human Garbage', or was it a 'Way of Life' in that Time Period?

A 100 years from now, people may be SHOCKED that some people were used as 'Economic Slaves' by Employers that didn't share their Profits with their Workers!
Will there be Reparations for this Tragedy?
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Humanity as a whole had to evolve out if its stage of being garbage as a species.
We're even now not at equal levels of being involved.

By the 1600s, however, the Renaissance had occurred and the species was supposed to have reached a new level of being civilized.
It was as it is now and was always, however. We were not all at the same level of evolution.

In Western Culture, it finally down to just us and Brazil being the models of douchebaggery. No slavery anywhere else in Western Civilization.

Well guess what?

Brazil has National Healthcare.

What's the biggest douchebag nation in the developed West now?

Hint: the initials are USA.
 
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