What does the New Testament say about homosexuality? Short answer: "Nothing"

gmark77 said:
A good Christian knows what the Good Book says about cherry picking.

2. Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
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7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for?

8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?

9 Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons;
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And yet you do it anyway.
 
Cypress said:
Jesus said the moral laws of Torah are fulfilled simply by following his two commandments: love God, and love your neighbor as yourself.

If you love your neighbor as yourself, you aren't going to murder or steal.

Technically, nothing from Exodus to Deuteronomy actually applies to Christians. And certainly not the Mosaic laws of ritual, diet, and cleanliness.
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And theres the crux of the matter, "love your neighbor and yourself". How that gets interpreted is fascinating. I hear people say Jesus didn't condemn sinners like the woman at the well caught in adultery. How beautiful right? He also said don't sin anymore. There are consequences for our choices and peoples affection for God seem to rapidly trail off when the judgment day conversation starts.

From the beginning of Scripture it says

The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” Exodus 2:18. God made Eve not Steve. They become one flesh and Scripture refers to Eve as Adams wife.

Being a homosexual is not a sin. Engaging in homosexual sex is and is no different than sex with a person of the opposite sex you are not married to. Can we tell someone we love they have done something sinful?
 
Yakuda said:
And theres the crux of the matter, "love your neighbor and yourself". How that gets interpreted is fascinating. I hear people say Jesus didn't condemn sinners like the woman at the well caught in adultery. How beautiful right? He also said don't sin anymore. There are consequences for our choices and peoples affection for God seem to rapidly trail off when the judgment day conversation starts.

From the beginning of Scripture it says

The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” Exodus 2:18. God made Eve not Steve. They become one flesh and Scripture refers to Eve as Adams wife.

Being a homosexual is not a sin. Engaging in homosexual sex is and is no different than sex with a person of the opposite sex you are not married to. Can we tell someone we love they have done something sinful?
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Quoting Exodus as a set of laws and rules for Christians to follow doesn't work.

Galatians makes crystal clear that the Torah was a temporary covenant that was superseded when the Messiah came. Jesus and Paul both make explicitly clear that any moral law in the Torah is completely fulfilled by Jesus' two simple commandments: love God, and love your neighbors as yourself.

Jesus was an unmarried 30 year old Galilean Jew. Paul was a Hellenized Jew who died in his 60s, unmarried and without children. Those are shocking outliers for first century Jewish culture. They obviously thought any kind of freshly desires and lust were prisons that enslaved people's spiritual development. Clearly they believed any kind of gratuitous sex between any genders would be considered a distraction from a God-centered life.

Neither of them obviously ever thought anything about gay marriage, because it's not something anyone thought about until the late 20th century.
 
Cypress said:
Quoting Exodus as a set of laws and rules for Christians to follow doesn't work.

Galatians makes crystal clear that the Torah was a temporary covenant that was superseded when the Messiah came. Jesus and Paul both make explicitly clear that any moral law in the Torah is completely fulfilled by Jesus' two simple commandments: love God, and love your neighbors as yourself.

Jesus was an unmarried 30 year old Galilean Jew. Paul died in his 60s, unmarried and with no children. Those are shocking outliers for first century Jewish culture. They obviously thought any kind of freshly desires and lust were prisons that enslaved people's spiritual development. Clearly they believed any kind of gratuitous sex between any genders would be considered a distraction from a God-centered life.

Neither of them obviously ever thought about gay marriage, because it's not something anyone thought about until the late 20th century.
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Where does Jesus say we are free from the laws and the rules? He often acted outside the laws and the rules but did so with a point. It's not what you do that matters to God it's what's in your heart thast matters to him more.

The fact is it's rather repugnant to see athiets agnostics or whatever calling on Gods name in one instance while bashing him at other times. I have little patience for this foolishness.
 
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Yakuda said:
Where does Jesus say we are free from the laws and the rules? He often acted outside the laws and the rules but did so with a point. It's not what you that matters to God it's what's in your heart matters to him more.

The fact is it's rather repugnant to see athiets agnostics or whatever falling on Gods name in one instance while bashing him at other times. I have little patience for this foolishness.
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A sacred sermon from the JPP Forum idiot.
 
Yakuda said:
The fact is it's rather repugnant to see athiets agnostics or whatever falling on Gods name in one instance while bashing him at other times. I have little patience for this foolishness.
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I probably attend church more often than 99 percent of your JPP MAGA cohorts.

You're free to make the case that Christianity is intended to be a Torah-centered life. But you would be laughed out of any legitimate seminary or divinity school if you stated that out loud.
 
Cypress said:
I probably attend church more often than 99 percent of your JPP MAGA cohorts.

You're free to make the case that Christianity is intended to be a Torah-centered life. But you would be laughed out of any legitimate seminary or divinity school if you stated that out loud.
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Where did I say Christianity is intended to be today centered?

As to your church attendance I don't give a shit.
 
Yakuda said:
Where does Jesus say we are free from the laws and the rules? He often acted outside the laws and the rules but did so with a point. It's not what you that matters to God it's what's in your heart matters to him more.
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Jesus was in fact a reformer who wanted to return to the Judaism of Abraham and Moses and rejected the Babylonian cultists. He did not abolish the OT and certainly not the Pentateuch. These clowns are merely just citing verses out of context and completely ignoring others, as usual.
 
Cypress said:
I probably attend church more often than 99 percent of your JPP MAGA cohorts.

You're free to make the case that Christianity is intended to be a Torah-centered life. But you would be laughed out of any legitimate seminary or divinity school if you stated that out loud.
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lol you're full of shit, as usual. The only people who get laughed out schools are you butt stupid liars.

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Jesus stated, "
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them". He came to fulfill the Mosaic Law, not to abolish it.

Key Aspects of Jesus' Relationship with the Mosaic Law:
  • Fulfillment, not abolition: Jesus came to fulfill the law, not abolish it. This means that he brought it to its ultimate purpose and revealed its true meaning.
  • Heart over external observance: Jesus condemned hypocrisy and external adherence without internal heart change. He emphasized that love for God and neighbor is the core of the law.
  • The Law as a tutor: The Law highlighted sin and the need for a Savior, leading to Christ.
  • Christ as the fulfillment: Jesus fulfilled the Law's requirements through his perfect life and sacrifice. Accepting him as Savior and Lord replaces practicing the Mosaic Law, as he is the culmination of the law.
Therefore, Jesus did not advocate for a "return" to Mosaic Law in the sense of reinstituting all its rituals and practices. He upheld the Law's true intent and emphasized its moral and ethical principles, demonstrating that genuine righteousness comes through faith in him and a transformed heart, not by external adherence to the Law.
 
EdwinA said:
lol you're full of shit, as usual. The only people who get laughed out schools are you butt stupid liars.

AI Overview


Jesus stated, "
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them". He came to fulfill the Mosaic Law, not to abolish it.

Key Aspects of Jesus' Relationship with the Mosaic Law:
  • Fulfillment, not abolition: Jesus came to fulfill the law, not abolish it. This means that he brought it to its ultimate purpose and revealed its true meaning.
  • Heart over external observance: Jesus condemned hypocrisy and external adherence without internal heart change. He emphasized that love for God and neighbor is the core of the law.
  • The Law as a tutor: The Law highlighted sin and the need for a Savior, leading to Christ.
  • Christ as the fulfillment: Jesus fulfilled the Law's requirements through his perfect life and sacrifice. Accepting him as Savior and Lord replaces practicing the Mosaic Law, as he is the culmination of the law.
Therefore, Jesus did not advocate for a "return" to Mosaic Law in the sense of reinstituting all its rituals and practices. He upheld the Law's true intent and emphasized its moral and ethical principles, demonstrating that genuine righteousness comes through faith in him and a transformed heart, not by external adherence to the Law.
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Cherry picking a quote from Matthew - which is written for a Jewish audience - while ignoring the rest of the New Testament is not a convincing argument.
 
Cypress said:
Cherry picking a quote from Matthew - which is written for a Jewish audience - while ignoring the rest of the New Testament is not a convincing argument.
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Yes, you don't know what you're talking about again.And yes, the book of Mathew is intended for Jews, dumbass. Please point out some more blatantly obvious points while pretending to school us on the NT while being ignorant of most of it.

In other news, as for the term for 'neighbors', in a Jewish culture context it refers to fellow Jews, not everybody on the planet. The Orthodox of those days considered themselves a 'master race' since Ezra's temple cult, same with the rabbinical Judaism cults that came after the Bar Kokbha revolt failed.
 
Yakuda said:
Where does Jesus say we are free from the laws and the rules?
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I believe he says the exact opposite. It took the Church Fathers and later 19th Century evangelicals to firm up the concept of "Dispensations" in order to allow people to accept that parts of the OT no longer applied.

I strongly disagree with one of the posters here who thinks the OT is somehow no longer important. That's simply not correct. But I also understand that Christianity NEEDED to change and break away from the faith that spawned it. It needed to grow and adapt to a new world. That's how all religions function.
 
Yakuda said:
Where did I say Christianity is intended to be today centered?

As to your church attendance I don't give a shit.
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I've listened to Frank Turek, PhD - a well regarded conservative evangelical Christian theologian and apologist - and he states that nothing from Exodus to Deuteronomy technically applies to Christians. The Mosaic Law was superseded by the arrival of the Messiah, and the moral law of Torah is fulfilled by Jesus' two simple commandments.

So I am not pulling this out of my ass. Even well educated evangelical apologists say it. Turek was the guy with such a esteemed reputation as a Christian apologist, he's the guy evangelicals would put up to debate public atheists like Christopher Hitchens and Alex O'Connor.
 
gmark77 said:
I believe he says the exact opposite. It took the Church Fathers and later 19th Century evangelicals to firm up the concept of "Dispensations" in order to allow people to accept that parts of the OT no longer applied.

I strongly disagree with one of the posters here who thinks the OT is somehow no longer important. That's simply not correct. But I also understand that Christianity NEEDED to change and break away from the faith that spawned it. It needed to grow and adapt to a new world. That's how all religions function.
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Where does jesus say the exact opposite?
 
'Christianity' was a break from the Babylonian temple cults and 'master race' bullshit implemented by Ezra and the dumbassery that followed.
 
Cypress said:
I've listened to Frank Turek, PhD - a well regarded conservative evangelical Christian theologian and apologist - and he states that nothing from Exodus to Deuteronomy technically applies to Christians. The Mosaic Law was superseded by the arrival of the Messiah, and the moral law of Torah is fulfilled by Jesus' two simple commandments.

So I am not pulling this out of my ass. Even well educated evangelical apologists say it. Turek was the guy with such a esteemed reputation as a Christian apologist, he's the guy evangelicals would put up to debate public atheists like Christopher Hitchens and Alex O'Connor.
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I'm very familiar with Turek and he's entitled to his opinion. So what?
 
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