What happened to this story?

Darth Beto Omar said:
We really need to stop toppling less.

Clearly though, the News Fakers aren’t interested in DNC collusion with foreign governments.
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Both are bad but they aren't equal.

The differences

If the broad outlines are similar, some key elements distinguish these episodes from each other. The Politico article highlighted a major one.

"Russia’s effort was personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin (and) involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services," the article said. "There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine."

So, according to American intelligence agencies, the Kremlin shaped and directed the email hacking of Democrats and subsequent distribution. In contrast, a variety of actors on the Ukrainian side responded to American queries and provided public documents.

Which leads to the other big distinction: The Russians got their materials through cyber-attacks, while the only telling document revealed by a Ukrainian lawmaker was the product of an official investigation.

"There’s a difference between dealing with the embassy and dealing with a covert intelligence operation," Wittes said. "Are you dealing with government records, or are you dealing in stolen dirt?"

To be clear, we do not know if the hacked emails had any ties to contacts the Trump campaign did or didn’t have with Russians. But hacked emails are different from the results of a public investigation. Taking that difference one step further, there was nothing inherently illegal in the quest for information on Manafort and how that might link Donald Trump to Russia. Wittes noted that from a research perspective, since Manafort’s work took place in Ukraine, "you pretty much have to go to the Ukrainians to get that."

Other details also separate the two narratives.

Russia is at best a competitor and often called an enemy.

Lastly, the stories from Trump associates have changed over time as more press reports emerge. In the case of Donald Trump Jr., he first said he never represented the campaign in any meetings with Russians. Then he said there was a meeting, but it was about adoption laws. Then he said it was about Clinton, but it represented ordinary opposition research.

It’s best to think of both stories as moving targets. The more they are explored, the more we will learn.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...raine-try-help-clinton-way-russia-helped-tru/
 
christiefan915 said:
Both are bad but they aren't equal.

The differences

If the broad outlines are similar, some key elements distinguish these episodes from each other. The Politico article highlighted a major one.

"Russia’s effort was personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin (and) involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services," the article said. "There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine."

So, according to American intelligence agencies, the Kremlin shaped and directed the email hacking of Democrats and subsequent distribution. In contrast, a variety of actors on the Ukrainian side responded to American queries and provided public documents.

Which leads to the other big distinction: The Russians got their materials through cyber-attacks, while the only telling document revealed by a Ukrainian lawmaker was the product of an official investigation.

"There’s a difference between dealing with the embassy and dealing with a covert intelligence operation," Wittes said. "Are you dealing with government records, or are you dealing in stolen dirt?"

To be clear, we do not know if the hacked emails had any ties to contacts the Trump campaign did or didn’t have with Russians. But hacked emails are different from the results of a public investigation. Taking that difference one step further, there was nothing inherently illegal in the quest for information on Manafort and how that might link Donald Trump to Russia. Wittes noted that from a research perspective, since Manafort’s work took place in Ukraine, "you pretty much have to go to the Ukrainians to get that."

Other details also separate the two narratives.

Russia is at best a competitor and often called an enemy.

Lastly, the stories from Trump associates have changed over time as more press reports emerge. In the case of Donald Trump Jr., he first said he never represented the campaign in any meetings with Russians. Then he said there was a meeting, but it was about adoption laws. Then he said it was about Clinton, but it represented ordinary opposition research.

It’s best to think of both stories as moving targets. The more they are explored, the more we will learn.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...raine-try-help-clinton-way-russia-helped-tru/
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I knew there had to be a reason lol!

It seems only one was explored. Notice the 2017 date on the link. It’s been off the radar for well over a year even though it’s straight-up collusion with a foreign government to affect an election.
 
Darth Beto Omar said:
Actually, I get the idea it’s gone on quite a bit.

But note how Trump is simply *alleged* to have colluded with a foreign government to influence an election but the democrats were caught red handed doing it.

And it’s a nothing Burger.
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stating something you can't possibly know anything about is a nothingburger just makes you look stupid
 
Darth Beto Omar said:
I knew there had to be a reason lol!

It seems only one was explored. Notice the 2017 date on the link. It’s been off the radar for well over a year even though it’s straight-up collusion with a foreign government to affect an election.
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Benjamin Wittes, editor of the respected Lawfare blog, told us he doesn’t think the comparison is frivolous.

"If everyone is running around with the assumption that it’s illegitimate to work with a foreign government in a campaign, then it’s perfectly fair to ask what was the relationship between the Clinton campaign and the Ukrainians," Wittes said.
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so Trump gets a special prosecutor and Clinton gets nothing -not even prosecution for her gross negligence on the Emails ( which does not require intent) -muchless any kind of investigation on this collusion...

Equal justice is a game for the deep state creeps..I sincerely hope Huber comes back with some indictment -
but I'm sure he won't. and Barr shows no interest.
 
It is a phony story of no significance. Trump got material help from Russian military hacking. His people worked with Russians and Wiki to help Trump and hurt Hillary.
 
anatta said:
so Trump gets a special prosecutor and Clinton gets nothing -not even prosecution for her gross negligence on the Emails ( which does not require intent) -muchless any kind of investigation on this collusion...

Equal justice is a game for the deep state creeps..I sincerely hope Huber comes back with some indictment -
but I'm sure he won't. and Barr shows no interest.
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Give Barr a chance.

There’s something to be said for waiting for Mullet to report before making any moves lest the House Democrats whine about interfering with the ‘Russian’ investigation that has nothing to do with Russia or Russians.
 
The story has always been about Trump and Trumper criminality.

The forthcoming Mueller report will reveal them
for the monsters he and his following are.
 
jimmymccready said:
That "Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office." is an expression of Ukrainian authorized principles by its authorities is not the same thing as shadowing Russian figures trying to collude with the Trump campaign.
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And donating countless millions. The OP has it backwards. trump's campaign manager is a Russian asset who toppled the Ukranian govt. and installed a pro Russia leader.

Ukraine was simply bringing that to the fore.
 
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