what is fascism

evince said:
Yale philosopher Jason Stanley explains


I think of fascism as a method of politics. It’s a rhetoric, a way of running for power. Of course, that’s connected to fascist ideology, because fascist ideology centers on power. But I really see fascism as a technique to gain power.
People are always asking, “Is such-and-such politician really a fascist?” Which is really just another way of asking if this person has a particular set of beliefs or an ideology, but again, I don’t really think of a fascist as someone who holds a set of beliefs. They’re using a certain technique to acquire and retain power.


In my book identifies the various techniques that fascists tend to adopt, and shows how someone can be more fascist or less fascist in their politics. The key thing is that fascist politics is about identifying enemies, appealing to the in-group (usually the majority group), and smashing truth and replacing it with power.
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fascism is when governments and corporations form a monolithic power structure, generally considered to be to the detriment of individuals not highly placed in either structure.

see corporatism.
see public private partnership.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Fascism is a political and economic system much like Communism, Socialism, and other such systems are.
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Your argument appears to be that fascism is authoritarian, therefore it’s left wing. (“Nothing to do with us righties - look, the fascists are over there on the left!”)

Major German industrialists financed the Nazis in their rise to power. Hitler’s first government in 1933 was a coalition with the right-wing National Party. Soon afterwards the National Party was wound up and many of its members joined the Nazis. After the Reichstag fire, the arch-conservative President Hindenburg granted Hitler dictatorial powers which were never relinquished. The aristocrat-dominated army went along with this, raising no objection.

These people were not theorizing. They were there and acted for what they thought were sound reasons. Were they all duped by the leftists Hitler and Goering?

P.S. I think you are confusing two quite different measures: left-right and liberal-authoritarian (“liberal” in the sense of adhering to liberal democracy). Communists are left authoritarian, fascists are right authoritarian, and they have nothing in common except authoritarianism.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Irrelevant appeal to authority fallacy. Just because someone has a bunch of degrees doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. Provide support that his statements I quoted define what fascism is. That's the crux of the matter here.

To reiterate:

1. Fascism is a political and economic system much like Communism, Socialism, and other such systems are.

2. Fascism is not defined by its propaganda any more than any other political and economic system is.

3. Trying to define fascism by its propaganda is a futile effort. One doesn't equal the other.

So, what does define fascism?

Nationalistic
Totalitarian
Prefers a Socialist economy usually in the form of Statist Capitalism
Often militaristic

Those are some basic traits.
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no neocon. It's simply the union of corporation and government power.

It can be nationalist or internationalist. Right now we're suffering under the internationalist variant.
 
evince said:
Wow


So you think they are doxing people?


Then sue them and make a buck


Maybe you could be the new owner


For a minute until all the posters bailed


If they doxed me I’m so old the judge would slam their heads in a cell door putting them away so quick

Isn’t having laws and regulations awesome


Yeah


A judicial system standing free of the other branches was an awesome idea huh


And to think your dumb ass wants government to be an empty powerless shell


Damn your dumb
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what is fascism?

Mussolini
Hitler
Franco
Fauci
 
AssHatZombie said:
no neocon. It's simply the union of corporation and government power.
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That's what Statist Capitalism is.

It can be nationalist or internationalist. Right now we're suffering under the internationalist variant.
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It is nationalist. The Internationalist version is a variant of Communism. China today is no longer Communist. They have become Fascist. That is because they no longer take an Internationalist approach to foreign and domestic affairs but rather put China first--even to the point of internal racism and ethnic cleansing. Their economy is best described as Statist Capitalism mixed with a heavy dose of Socialism.

That's very Fascist in all.
 
evince said:
Yale philosopher Jason Stanley explains


I think of fascism as a method of politics. It’s a rhetoric, a way of running for power. Of course, that’s connected to fascist ideology, because fascist ideology centers on power. But I really see fascism as a technique to gain power.
People are always asking, “Is such-and-such politician really a fascist?” Which is really just another way of asking if this person has a particular set of beliefs or an ideology, but again, I don’t really think of a fascist as someone who holds a set of beliefs. They’re using a certain technique to acquire and retain power.

In my book identifies the various techniques that fascists tend to adopt, and shows how someone can be more fascist or less fascist in their politics. The key thing is that fascist politics is about identifying enemies, appealing to the in-group (usually the majority group), and smashing truth and replacing it with power.
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An interesting model. Technique, gaming strategy, "style". While fascists exist and have existed in the US, they can't make others fascist. As seen in Germany post-WWI and Italy, also a WWI loser plus Japan seeking to expand, the environment must be right for fascism to take root and grow. The US toyed with it but turned away. Why?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-1930s-america-and-might-spread-again-today/
These are the three reasons fascism spread in 1930s America — and might spread again today
Three factors helped U.S. fascism spread

So what does the history of American fascism tell us about its resurgence? The good news is that the three major factors that drove its expansion are absent today.

The first was a major economic depression and social dislocation that undermined people’s confidence in democracy and led them to look for alternatives. As a U.S. economist complained in 1933, “democracy is neither very expert nor very quick to action” and cannot resolve “group and class conflicts easily.”

The second factor was fear of communism, which led many leading intellectuals to embrace fascism as a bulwark against Bolshevism and as the lesser of two evils. As in Europe, worries about communism intensified fascism’s appeal in the U.S. “I thank heaven for a man like Adolf Hitler,” argued popular Christian activist Frank Buchman in 1936, “who built a front line of defense against the anti-Christ of communism.”

The third factor was the rise of Nazi Germany as an economic and military powerhouse. Hitler’s ascent began a long period of German recovery, economic expansion and the swift end of unemployment in that country. By 1939, Germany had a labor shortage of 2 million people, while industrial production had more than doubled. Generations of historians have debated whether the recovery was real, but the widespread perception of German success attracted admirers regardless of its reality.
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danielpalos said:
Under Capitalism it is more about Rich privilege than specifically white privilege.
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I tend to agree here, especially post-Citizens United. The funny thing is that the RWers pushed for Citizens United and are now choking on Tech-Lord dick. LOL

Mostly though it's the result of a democracy. Majority rules. Avoiding a tyranny of the majority is one reason why we have a Constitution...which people on both sides seek to chip away at to erode rights.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I tend to agree here, especially post-Citizens United. The funny thing is that the RWers pushed for Citizens United and are now choking on Tech-Lord dick. LOL

Mostly though it's the result of a democracy. Majority rules. Avoiding a tyranny of the majority is one reason why we have a Constitution...which people on both sides seek to chip away at to erode rights.
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It should be as simple as equal protection of our own laws.
 
danielpalos said:
It should be as simple as equal protection of our own laws.
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Operative word being "should be". At the moment most of our political leaders are more interested in garnering power instead of wielding what they have for the best interests of We, the People.
 
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