What made Putin do it?

Cypress said:
Who were the hand-wringers and diaper-poopers who kept screaming "don't poke the bear!"

The bear is a God damned paper tiger.
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The one prediction I made was that if the Ukraine operation is a disaster, which it is not currently, then Putin will go. Otherwise I have been reporting on Russia's mission, what they are attempting to do. I have also been putting this operation into the context of the cold war between the East and the West....which is now on. I have also said that the West will almost certainly lose this confrontation, in part because our leaders are infants.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The one prediction I made was that if the Ukraine operation is a disaster, which it is not currently, then Putin will go. Otherwise I have been reporting on Russia's mission, what they are attempting to do. I have also been putting this operation into the context of the cold war between the East and the West....which is now on. I have also said that the West will almost certainly lose this confrontation, in part because our leaders are infants.
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Then your abilities at prediction totally suck.

Putin's Russia is not winning. In fact, it was obvious within days of the invasion that Putin is not a genius, that his war was a catastrophic blunder, and that Putin has put Russia on a trajectory to be an economically-crippled and isolated rogue state for the foreseeable future.
 
Hello Tranquillus in Exile,

Tranquillus in Exile said:
His main stated reason is that Russia is threatened by Ukraine, which he says has been run by Nazis ever since his man Yanukovych was chased out in 2014. There have been two presidential and two parliamentary elections since then, but the Nazis and Nato rigged them. Also, Ukraine is rightfully part of Russia (much as Portugal is rightfully part of Spain, I suppose). This is the story that Russians have been told, and many believe it.

Whether Putin believes all, part or none of the above, he evidently thought taking over Ukraine would be easy. His advisers aka yes-men didn’t disabuse him (they may be regretting it now: several of them are in jail).

I don’t think Putin remotely anticipated that it would be so difficult or that he would get so much blowback. He simply assumed it would be more of the same, like Chechnya, Georgia, Moldova, Crimea, etc. True, the Chechen war was long and brutal, but it was a purely internal matter and the West looked the other way.
Ukraine is a sovereign nation.

Trying to grab Ukraine is by far the biggest miscalculation of Putin’s career. When Russians learn more about what really happened, it may spell конец - the end.
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Best assessment I've heard. I would add that the real reason, even if Putin doesn't want to admit it to himself, is that he owes his corrupt power to propaganda which he controls, and he was in danger of losing control. Since Ukraine is free of that, and so many Ukrainians and Russians get along so well, with friends and families spread between the two nations, Putin was unable to control the messaging there. Basically, the truth was getting too close to his propaganda.
 
Nordberg said:
Since they are not doing that, your post was worthless.
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they are doing it tho, ho.

If you think adults should talk to children under 8 about their sexual preferences as part of a public school curriculum, you're pro grooming at schools.

run with that.

it's an electoral win for sure.
 
AssHatZombie said:
they are doing it tho, ho.

If you think adults should talk to children under 8 about their sexual preferences as part of a public school curriculum, you're pro grooming at schools.

run with that.

it's an electoral win for sure.
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Not true, but the truth is not required in your posts.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
His main stated reason is that Russia is threatened by Ukraine, which he says has been run by Nazis ever since his man Yanukovych was chased out in 2014. There have been two presidential and two parliamentary elections since then, but the Nazis and Nato rigged them. Also, Ukraine is rightfully part of Russia (much as Portugal is rightfully part of Spain, I suppose). This is the story that Russians have been told, and many believe it.

Whether Putin believes all, part or none of the above, he evidently thought taking over Ukraine would be easy. His advisers aka yes-men didn’t disabuse him (they may be regretting it now: several of them are in jail).

I don’t think Putin remotely anticipated that it would be so difficult or that he would get so much blowback. He simply assumed it would be more of the same, like Chechnya, Georgia, Moldova, Crimea, etc. True, the Chechen war was long and brutal, but it was a purely internal matter and the West looked the other way.
Ukraine is a sovereign nation.

Trying to grab Ukraine is by far the biggest miscalculation of Putin’s career. When Russians learn more about what really happened, it may spell конец - the end.
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That's a question for the decade. Why would anyone with a scintilla of sanity think that invading Ukraine, a peaceful, much smaller neighbor, be a great idea? Since when is wantonly killing of innocent Ukrainian civilians a good invasion policy?

Here's why Putin invaded Ukraine......he's fucking insane. That's the ONLY logical answer. ;)
 
Cypress said:
Then your abilities at prediction totally suck.

Putin's Russia is not winning. In fact, it was obvious within days of the invasion that Putin is not a genius, that his war was a catastrophic blunder, and that Putin has put Russia on a trajectory to be an economically-crippled and isolated rogue state for the foreseeable future.
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So long as Russia is one of China best friends, and india trades with them, Russia is not anywhere near isolated. They are at war with the West, and they think that the and the Empire will win.
 
Trump stopped transcription of what they spoke about. He did not allow our translators in the room either. I am beginning to think they were plotting this Ukraine attack back then. It would rise to the level of preventing the communication from being known. I suspected Trump was just blowing him, but it is worse than that. They were planning on wars as Bush did in Iraq.
 
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