What really happened on 9/11?

[Scott]

Follow the money.

Agreed. The 9/11 Commission, on the other hand, argued that the question was of "little practical significance":

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To date, the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance.
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Source:
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, Chapter 5: Al Qaeda aims at the American Homeland

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

There are other articles on OBL's stay in the American Hospital in Dubai.

I have never seen the point of these stories about bin Laden’s health. Nobody said that bin Laden personally took part in executing the 9/11 attacks.

In any case ...

On Nov. 10, 2001, he gave an interview to a Pakistani journalist, who wrote that the terrorist kingpin did not appear ill.
"My kidneys are all right," bin Laden reportedly said. "I did not go to Dubai."

https://eu.southcoasttoday.com/story/news/nation-world/2002/01/03/what-s-story-with-bin/50424137007/

And he was still alive in 2011 when the SEALs got him, unless you believe the conspiracy theories about that.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I didn't watch it for hours, but I also watched for a bit live when it happened. Back then, I believed the official narrative myself.



Apparently you missed the CBS broadcast that day, which Corbett's article linked to. It's here:

Osama Bin Laden's name comes up at around 4 minutes, 10 seconds in.



Ah, I think I see your confusion now. Corbett didn't mention it, but it seems clear that he meant within minutes after the -second- alleged aircraft, not the first.



Corbett's video doesn't, no, but the CBS video he links to, and which I've linked to above, certainly does.

You claimed the reporters were reporting that in minutes. The second plane hit 15 minutes after the first one. The video you are showing clearly shows both towers have been hit with planes. This is NOT minutes after the first plane hit.
At 3:25 in the video they say about the FBI, they are in the same mode as we are trying to figure out what is going on.
So this clearly shows that the claim that within minutes they knew it was Osama Bin Laden is false.
Are you willing to admit that the video you gave as evidence contains a lie? Yes/No?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I imagine you know that the notion that WTC 7 was just collateral damage, rather than the result of a controlled demolition is something that still hasn't been settled.



Again with the ad hominems -.-. You really should try to stop using them so much.

Provide your evidence that it was a controlled demolition. That means you need to tell us when the charges were place. Until you can provide evidence of charges being placed your argument is that of a conspiracy nut.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Neither I nor Corbett said that the the investigation report taking an extra meant that a conspiracy was proven. Corbett doesn't actually mention the completion time of the report at all in the quote above. He -does- mention that the investigation was delayed, however, and he links to an article with evidence that this was happening. The article is here:

White House Hurdles Delay 9/11 Commission Investigation | cryptome.org

I'll quote the introduction:

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Wall Street Journal, July 8, 2003
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Tell us how this delay affected the veracity of the report. Simply pointing to a delay is a non sequitur unless you can provide evidence that it affected the truthfulness of the report. Once again, this is standard for conspiracy nuts. They throw out meaningless bullshit as if it has some relevance and imply that it proves the conspiracy. You are doing nothing here but following the standard procedure of conspiracy nuts. Why are you doing that? Are you incapable of rational thought? or are you a troll?

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

This is the post I was referring to a couple of days ago (how many separate explosive charges would be required to demolish each tower in the ‘standard’ truther theory).

Data:
47 core columns
240 perimeter columns
70-80 stories up to the impact level.

The answer is (47 + 240) x 70 = 20,090.

Or if you allow that "they" only had to cut the columns every 2-3 stories, you could get the total down to about 8000.

I believe that this – or something like it - is an immediate deduction from the truther theory, but I have never seen these or any figures mentioned in their literature.
I guess they prefer not to know.

 

[Scott]

There are other articles on OBL's stay in the American Hospital in Dubai. Here's one:

Bin Laden's Stay in an American Hospital in July, 2001. He Was in "Our" Hands, but Nobody Cared. | garynorth.com

I have never seen the point of these stories about bin Laden’s health. Nobody said that bin Laden personally took part in executing the 9/11 attacks.

If bin Laden was in fact on dialysis on 9/11, it stretches credibility to think that he was playing much of a role if any on that day. The fact of the matter is that even an FBI spokesman has admitted years after 9/11 that the FBI had no hard evidence connecting Osama bin Laden to 9/11. An article on this can be seen here:

No Hard Evidence Connecting Bin Laden to 9/11 | projectcensored.com

In any case ...

On Nov. 10, 2001, he gave an interview to a Pakistani journalist, who wrote that the terrorist kingpin did not appear ill.
"My kidneys are all right," bin Laden reportedly said. "I did not go to Dubai."

https://eu.southcoasttoday.com/story/news/nation-world/2002/01/03/what-s-story-with-bin/50424137007/

Ah, so some Pakistani journalist claims to have had a chat with him where he allegedly denies being in Dubai, and that just washes away the Figaro story?

And he was still alive in 2011 when the SEALs got him, unless you believe the conspiracy theories about that.

Ah yes, the alleged SEAL raid. Corbett mentions it near the end of his 5 minute video. Quoting from said video:

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Osama Bin Laden lived in a cave fortress in the hills of Afghanistan, but somehow got away [video link in original]. Then he was hiding out in Tora Bora but somehow got away. Then he lived in Abottabad for years, taunting the most comprehensive intelligence dragnet employing the most sophisticated technology in the history of the world for 10 years, releasing video after video with complete impunity (and getting younger and younger as he did so), before finally being found in a daring SEAL team raid which wasn't recorded on video, in which he didn't resist or use his wife as a human shield, and in which these crack special forces operatives panicked and killed this unarmed man, supposedly the best source of intelligence about those dastardly terrorists on the planet. Then they dumped his body in the ocean before telling anyone about it. Then a couple dozen of that team's members died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.
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Source:
9/11: A Conspiracy Theory | corbettreport.com

 

[Hawkeye10]

Osama Bin Laden provoked America into making a catastrophic error, exactly as he planned it.

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

Osama Bin Laden provoked America into making a catastrophic error, exactly as he planned it.

What happened to Osama Bin Laden?

 

[Scott]

I didn't watch it for hours, but I also watched for a bit live when it happened. Back then, I believed the official narrative myself.

Apparently you missed the CBS broadcast that day, which Corbett's article linked to. It's here:

Osama Bin Laden's name comes up at around 4 minutes, 10 seconds in.

Ah, I think I see your confusion now. Corbett didn't mention it, but it seems clear that he meant within minutes after the -second- alleged aircraft, not the first.

Corbett's video doesn't, no, but the CBS video he links to, and which I've linked to above, certainly does.

You claimed the reporters were reporting that in minutes.

Corbett claimed this, yes.

The second plane hit 15 minutes after the first one. The video you are showing clearly shows both towers have been hit with planes. This is NOT minutes after the first plane hit.

Less than a minute after Ryan brings up Osama bin Laden, he mentions that it's 9:17am. That would make it about 30 minutes after the first aircraft allegedly crashed into the North tower. I'm ready to accept your concession that you were mistaken.

At 3:25 in the video they say about the FBI, they are in the same mode as we are trying to figure out what is going on.

I asked you to take a look at 4:10, not 3:25. Starting from around 4:10:
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The intelligence community for some time has been warning in a steady drumbeat, Ryan, that Osama bin Laden has not been heard from now, frankly since the beginning of the year, the USS Cole incident rather, and they've been wondering when and if he will strike again, and they only believed it was a matter of time, and I believe that today, that is going to be their first suspicion, but we have no confirmation of that, I must underline, there's no confirmation that this is a terrorist attack, number 1, or number 2, that it's Osama bin Laden involvement, but I can tell you right now, that is what they are thinking, that is the working premise, and we'll just have to see as the day unfolds what they discover. Jim, as we sit here at 9:17...
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Now, you may argue that a working premise is not the same thing as knowing it's true, and I'd agree with you there, but while Corbett may have somewhat exagerated the degree of certainty, it's clear that Osama bin Laden was painted as the most likely culprit very early on in the media.

 

[Hawkeye10]

What happened to Osama Bin Laden?

Do you think he cared?

He won.

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

Do you think he cared?

He won.

Deflection!
Let me help you! Obama took him out

 

[Hawkeye10]

Deflection!
Let me help you! Obama took him out

You fucking people dont know what matters.

 

[Lightbringer]

Was Deep State as ignorant and as incompetent as they claim that they were?









I do not know.

Go away and write some more stories about banging your step-daughter.

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

Ah, so some Pakistani journalist claims to have had a chat with him where he allegedly denies being in Dubai

I see you prefer not to address my post #26.

If the towers had been demolished conventionally from the bottom, this could have been done with a few dozen explosive charges in the right places. What this cannot do is produce a top-down collapse at ‘free fall’. That would require not just a few dozen, or even hundreds, but thousands of explosive charges placed all the way up the building.

Unless truthers (a) recognize this, and (b)explain how such a massive operation could have been set up without detection, the controlled demolition theory doesn’t begin to stand up.


The state of bin Laden’s health in 2001 is irrelevant.

 

[Litmus]

I see you prefer not to address my post #26.

If the towers had been demolished conventionally from the bottom, this could have been done with a few dozen explosive charges in the right places. What this cannot do is produce a top-down collapse at ‘free fall’. That would require not just a few dozen, or even hundreds, but thousands of explosive charges placed all the way up the building.

Unless truthers (a) recognize this, and (b)explain how such a massive operation could have been set up without detection, the controlled demolition theory doesn’t begin to stand up.


The state of bin Laden’s health in 2001 is irrelevant.

yes. they put charges all the way up the building.

 

[saltydancin]

Was Deep State as ignorant and as incompetent as they claim that they were?
I do not know.

Getting to be reminiscent of SCOTUS "one nation under God with equal justice under law" cross conditioning brainwashing in their suicidal super ego sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human farming Islamidiotocracy tradition of Washington, D.C. born USA citizens are Islam in that Christiananality Mohammed pedophilia precedent of medical pseudoscience fabricated human reproduction immaculate virgin Mary son of Allah Jesus the Christ conception; which certainly makes space the place for the human race due to being dumb as one nation under God Federal Lynching KKK churchstate of hate fiefdom drug trafficking enforcement....

 

[IBDaMann]

The very first comment in that thread by Jack makes my point, when he claims that he thinks the Saudis did it.

We can clear this up right now. A Saudi did it. We're done. That was easy.

This would mean that 9/11 wasn't an inside job, but it would -still- be different from the official narrative concerning 9/11.

What is this "official narrative" ... and official to whom?

This thread is for any reasoned theory as to what actually happened on 9/11.

We can clear this up right now. The Twin Towers were destroyed by aircraft, caught on video, and their destruction is not in question. A large section of the Pentagon was destroyed and this is not in question. Usama Bin Laden planned the event with his lieutenant (I forgot his name) and they were themselves surprised at their level of success.

As for the countless events in the life of Osama Bin Laden that all played a role in his decision to carry orchestrate the attack, speculation would be rather unproductive.

For my part, I do believe that some powerful people in the U.S. government were involved in 9/11, ...

... but you are careful not to divulge the reasons for your speculation because people will mock you? Why did you create the thread then?

 

[IBDaMann]

I see you prefer not to address my post #26.

If the towers had been demolished conventionally from the bottom, this could have been done with a few dozen explosive charges in the right places. What this cannot do is produce a top-down collapse at ‘free fall’. That would require not just a few dozen, or even hundreds, but thousands of explosive charges placed all the way up the building.

Incorrect. It was a downward domino effect. I suppose that no one ever pulled you aside and informed you that an entire story of a skyscraper is very, very heavy, and a bunch of stories even moreso. Once the supports for one of the floors weakened and collapsed, all of the floors above it fell, and the downward momentum was incalculable, easily snapping the supports for the next floor down, sending all of the previous floors above plus one plunging downward to snap the floor below it, and repeat in domino effect fashion, floor by floor downward, the floors above having too much momentum for each successive floor below.

That's what happened. No explosives were necessary. Watch the video of the collapse and it will be obvious.

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

Incorrect. It was a downward domino effect.

That is precisely the point of my post #26, which you seem to have misunderstood.

Take a look at this short video by David Chandler, a prolific propagandist for AE911Truth:

He is saying that the collapse front was preceded by a wave of explosions which cut the support columns, so that when the falling mass reached each story it encountered zero resistance. Hence - he says - the collapse took place at free fall speed (actually it didn’t). In so far as there is a “truther” theory of controlled demolition, this is it.

I put some numbers to that, which Chandler and his colleagues should have done but never did. I conclude it would be impossible to set this this up without detection.
For this and other reasons I am NOT a 9/11 “truther”. What are you?