Yeah...well we're talking about Sarah Fuckin Palin here. What do you think!
What that crazy moonbat Palin is saying today!
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Yeah...well we're talking about Sarah Fuckin Palin here. What do you think!
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Faith-based Initiatives has existed since 2001, when Bush signed it as an executive order. It still exists under Obama, although he renamed the program.
Hein v. Freedom From Religion Foundation, 551 U.S. 587 (2007), was a decision by the United States Supreme Court which ruled that taxpayers do not have the right to challenge the constitutionality of expenditures by the executive branch of the government.
At question was whether taxpayers have the right to challenge the existence of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives.[1] The case centered on three Supreme Court precedents: Flast v. Cohen, 392 U.S. 83 (1968), Bowen v. Kendrick, 487 U.S. 589 (1988), and Valley Forge Christian College v. Americans United for Separation of Church & State, 454 U.S. 464 (1982).
In a 5-4 vote the Supreme Court ruled that the Foundation did not have standing to sue and ordered the Appeals court finding reversed.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Okay, so I've shown you where the program did and does exist, and was never found to be unconstitutional by SCOTUS. They didn't "explain" anything to GWB, your boys took a swing and whiffed. The SCOTUS told the Freedom From Religion people to go suck an egg! The program still exists under Obama, same money going to the same faith-based groups for the same purpose, just a different name for the initiative.
As for your stupid argument that the initiative is ONLY for faith-based groups, can you name me off a few pagan-based charity organizations? I'll wait!
How about secular?
http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Secular_charities
There are more locally, but these are the larger charities.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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First of all, I never "whined" about anything, I explained to Rana why you are a kinky intellectual slut who secretly likes to have your ass reamed in debate. Second of all, there has been no "meltdown" on this thread by me. You advanced the notion that the MSNBC moonbat was talking about 'community outreach', and before I can even begin to start discrediting your dishonest claim, J-tard launches an attack on faith-based initiatives, because the mere mention of the phrase sends liberals into a froth-mouthed frenzy.
You people don't give two shits about helping the needy, this wasn't about 'community outreach' and this fucking "village" you think should be raising our children, apparently has no churches because they are unconstitutional.
Thank you Ms. Cleo! Lol
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Yay, you named ONE! Let's see how many more you can come up with, because I am betting it's nowhere near the number of faith-based organizations that are out there. Also, we already give taxpayer money to non-faith-based charity organizations, we've been doing that for years. Bush's initiative was to INCLUDE them, as opposed to EXCLUDING them from federal funding. There was never anything about the initiative which prohibited taxpayer money from going to charities who weren't faith-based. Which is probably why SCOTUS upheld it and found that it didn't violate the 'establishment clause'.
Moving the goal post, yet, again!
Dixie - In Memoriam
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I haven't moved anything. The point is still valid, there are very FEW non-faith-based charity outreach programs. If Liberals are so fcuking concerned about the children and communities, they wouldn't have a problem with faith-based organizations helping others, they would have been all for it. Instead, we had Liberals filing lawsuits and carrying it all the way to SCOTUS, because you just couldn't stand for the Church to be a part of your little "Village." You want to be able to raise our children in a godless village full of liberal idiots.
As for your stupid argument that the initiative is ONLY for faith-based groups, can you name me off a few pagan-based charity organizations? I'll wait!....Dixie
This goal post is in the same place.
You are far too emotional about churches, if you support them, why aren't you a member of one? I thinks nice fit would be Fred Phelps and his group.
You have shown no such thing. Your cases were about standing, not the basic issue. And the "Faith Based" as described by Bush during his campaign was never implimtnted nor does it exist now.
Oh, and by the way... a Pagan group would be based on FAITH. Do you know what a Pagan is?
Meltdown #2 for this thread.
Yep, thats what he asked for......"..... can you name me off a few pagan-based charity organizations? I'll wait!"....Dixie
One more will make a couple and then we could make it into 'a few'......
What do pagans need to have faith in ?......
Faith is a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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I presented the fucking Supreme Court case which was brought by Freedom From Religion, in regards to the constitutionality of Bush's Faith Based Initiatives program, implemented in 2001 by Executive Order. It was EXACTLY what he promised when campaigning for president in 2000. It was done by EO, and not Congress, so there is no rational way to believe it would have been any different than what Bush promised, since he was the Executive who signed the Order. That's a pretty simple detail that even a retard like you should get.
As for your point about "Pagan" being based on Faith, thank you for this clarification.... So "faith-based" does not denote, endorse or respect any particular establishment of religion, by your very own admission. Sometimes, you are too 'clever' for your own good!