What was the worst time in American history?

[philly rabbit]

The Bush-Cheney years. Which you failed to list, oddly enough.

The Dred Scott decision.

 

[Minister of Truth]

brother killing brother.


never again.

No matter how much the right in this country wants one.

never again.


the civil war was the worst time period in this country.


NEVER AGAIN.


This country will not allow the crazy right to cause another one.


No matter how much you try and destroy this country from the inside because you hate Democracy and helping your fellow man

Uh, they were Dems, Desh...

 

[Big Money]

Uh, they were Dems, Desh...

LOL

 

[Callinectes]

That's not correct. Losing over 3% of your population in a completely avoidable war is never a good thing.

The nation decided against permitting the unusual institution of slavery to grow outside of the then existing slave States in the South. This is what angered radical plantation class Southerners. They knew that if isolated to just the current States that they could not compete economically with the northern States, (which, not surprisingly, would have also been true had Slavery been permitted to grow). The South went to war with the north with a raging purple hard on over the principle of permitting slavery to grow outside of the south. At no time during the lead up to the start of the Civil war did the Federal government threaten to take slaves away from their owners in the States where that condition of servitude legally existed. Abraham Lincoln gave his guarantee that he would not attempt to pass laws that affected slavery in the States where it existed. So the South, went to war, where they were outnumbered 4 to 1, with a region that was an order of magnitude more economically developed over the principle of Slavery being permitted in the new territories out west.

That's significant. Not only does it show how numerically impaired these Southern radicals were in the lead up to the Civil War but that the intent of these radicals was not to preserve their "property" where it currently existed. The Southern radicals were so pissed about not being able to perpetuate slavery into the new territories that they started a war, with enthusiastic aggression, they couldn't possibly have won.

You did a pretty good job of conveying the emotion involved in the South's decision to go to war against the North, but you are ignoring the reality of the situation. The reality is, the South attacked the north at Fort Sumter "With a raging purple hard on", thereby making it necessary for the North to defend itself, thereby making the war "unavoidable".

In defense of my vote for the Civil War being the worst time in America's history, I think during this period we were engaged in a struggle to determine and shape our national identity. Here we were, less than 100 years removed from the tyranny of European monarchies and still wrestling with the concept of capturing and enslaving other people. This is kind of ironic, considering that most if not all of those very same European monarchies had decades earlier made slavery illegal in their own countries. Now this last point I am not going to bother to research, it's just something that I read somewhere and I may be wrong, but if I remember correctly, England allied herself with the South probably counting on a Southern victory and therefore having some say in the postwar government. If this would've been the case, slavery would have still been outlawed (England outlawed it in 1836, I believe)I would be sitting here at this computer drinking tea instead of coffee, the Union Jack would be flying over Prime Minister Obama's place at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., I would be retired from the Royal Air Force, and we definitely wouldn't have anything like Obama care, because being part of the British Empire, we would have tried it a long time ago and found out it didn't work in a country this large. My second choice would of been now, the Obama years. Once again, it seems to boil down to economics and race. And the only thing that puts it in second place for me is there are no bullets flying.

 

[Big Money]

The Democrat-controlled south had a largely agrarian economy that depended heavily on slave labor.

And the Confederates started the shooting at Fort Sumter.

 

[Callinectes]

The Democrat-controlled south had a largely agrarian economy that depended heavily on slave labor.

And the Confederates started the shooting at Fort Sumter.

Yep.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Britain formally remained neutral, because the leadership in Parliament didn't think it could get away politically with supporting the South.

 

[Steelplate]

Uh, they were Dems, Desh...

That may have been true at the time....but back then, dems were the conservatives. They wanted status quo.

Besides, I think what Desh was talking about is the call for armed rebellion coming from the right....once again....desiring to keep the status quo.

 

[poet]

That may have been true at the time....but back then, dems were the conservatives. They wanted status quo.

Besides, I think what Desh was talking about is the call for armed rebellion coming from the right....once again....desiring to keep the status quo.

The right is in denial of reality. The Republican Party of today, is not the Party of Lincoln. That would be the Democratic Party. Lincoln would be considered a liberal, not a conservatard.

 

[cancel2 2022]

The right is in denial of reality. The Republican Party of today, is not the Party of Lincoln. That would be the Democratic Party. Lincoln would be considered a liberal, not a conservatard.

Lincoln may well have been very much on the left by the standards of his day and it's arguable that modern liberalism can be traced back to him, but by today's standards he would most definitely be classified as far right. The fact that he lived in a time when he couldn't be expected to know any better is excellent grounds for excusing or forgiving his racism etc but not for denying it.

 

[philly rabbit]

You did a pretty good job of conveying the emotion involved in the South's decision to go to war against the North, but you are ignoring the reality of the situation. The reality is, the South attacked the north at Fort Sumter "With a raging purple hard on", thereby making it necessary for the North to defend itself, thereby making the war "unavoidable".

In defense of my vote for the Civil War being the worst time in America's history, I think during this period we were engaged in a struggle to determine and shape our national identity. Here we were, less than 100 years removed from the tyranny of European monarchies and still wrestling with the concept of capturing and enslaving other people. This is kind of ironic, considering that most if not all of those very same European monarchies had decades earlier made slavery illegal in their own countries. Now this last point I am not going to bother to research, it's just something that I read somewhere and I may be wrong, but if I remember correctly, England allied herself with the South probably counting on a Southern victory and therefore having some say in the postwar government. If this would've been the case, slavery would have still been outlawed (England outlawed it in 1836, I believe)I would be sitting here at this computer drinking tea instead of coffee, the Union Jack would be flying over Prime Minister Obama's place at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., I would be retired from the Royal Air Force, and we definitely wouldn't have anything like Obama care, because being part of the British Empire, we would have tried it a long time ago and found out it didn't work in a country this large. My second choice would of been now, the Obama years. Once again, it seems to boil down to economics and race. And the only thing that puts it in second place for me is there are no bullets flying.

How do you "defend yourself" invading somebody else's front yard armed and firing?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

That may have been true at the time....but back then, dems were the conservatives. They wanted status quo.

Besides, I think what Desh was talking about is the call for armed rebellion coming from the right....once again....desiring to keep the status quo.

Dems today desire to keep the status quo on many things.......

 

[philly rabbit]

The Democrat-controlled south had a largely agrarian economy that depended heavily on slave labor.

And the Confederates started the shooting at Fort Sumter.

King Abraham was supposed to abandon the tax collectors agency like he said he would before the shooting began but he needed an excuse to launch his invasion of the south so he didn't and tried to reinforce the tax collectors agency instead with an invasion fleet.

 

[philly rabbit]

Getting back to Dred Scott, this decision was the catalyst for the war as much if not more than any other factor. Scott had been freed by a circuit court but the supreme court ruled that he was still a slave by declaring the Missouri Compromise unconstitutional.

That's the U.S. Supreme Court, not the Confederate Supreme Court.

Then there was the lunatic John Brown supported and financed by northern financers who knew he was a lunatic but he served a useful purpose in driving the north into attacking the south.

The people on this thread who supported this atrocity would also oppose other wars like Iraq and Afghanistan and for the first time in it's history, the federal government launched a total war of destruction against a civilian population but they still supported the slaughter under the guise of freeing the slaves.

 

[Steelplate]

Dems today desire to keep the status quo on many things.......

Really? Like what...and be factual....not looney rooms.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Really? Like what...and be factual....not looney rooms.

Reps want to decrease federal spending, Dems want it to remain high
Reps want to decrease taxes, Dems want them to remain high
Reps want to change federal support for schools by permitting vouchers, Dems want things to stay the same
Reps want to stop abortion, Dems want it to continue
Reps want to open up domestic production of oil, Dems want to keep it shut down
Reps want to require photo ID to vote, Dems want to prevent change
no loony "rooms" there....

 

[Steelplate]

Reps want to decrease federal spending, Dems want it to remain high
Reps want to decrease taxes, Dems want them to remain high
Reps want to change federal support for schools by permitting vouchers, Dems want things to stay the same
Reps want to stop abortion, Dems want it to continue
Reps want to open up domestic production of oil, Dems want to keep it shut down
Reps want to require photo ID to vote, Dems want to prevent change
no loony "rooms" there....

Bullshit....reps simply want to do the same things as the Dems....they just want to funnel it upwards instead of downwards.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Bullshit....reps simply want to do the same things as the Dems....they just want to funnel it upwards instead of downwards.

dude....are you seriously saying any of those aren't true?......

 

[Steelplate]

dude....are you seriously saying any of those aren't true?......

Yes.....reps don't want decrease federal spending....they just want it allocated towards the wealthy at the expensenof needed.programs for.middle to.low income.people.

Taxes aren't that high...in fact that are at modern historic.lows.

Vouchers are just.education for profit....which just like health care and the prison system...shouldn't be for profit.

You know my stance.on abortion....let the sinner choice their.path

Reps want to.milk out every.last drop of oil...making it more and.more expensive while disavowing any renewable source because they are so in bed with the status quo(big oil) that they can't find their way out.

Dems question the validity of your claims of "massive voter fraud" as the reason that Dems are getting elected. It's not there and you know it.

Lastly...it was supposed to be Looney toons, but my kindle autocorrected....sue me.

 

[cawacko]

1988 when Kirk Gibson hit the home run off Eckersley

2006 when Vince Young scored on 4th and 6 to win the National Title.

Last year's Super Bowl.

All three are easily among the worst moments in U.S. history.