What will happen to the restaurant businesses in lock down states and city's ?

[Charoite]

You’re creating a straw man. There were specific guidelines issued, which included social distancing, for restaurants to open outdoor dining. We’re not talking about opening bars nor are we talking about inside dining.

If you want no risk shut the country down again and let no one outside for any reason. Millions may die of starvation or other medical ailments but that’s your tradeoff for having no risk. Otherwise we go by what science and the data tell us and it’s says outdoor dining is acceptable following certain guidelines. If you don’t want to go then don’t go. But you’re not following science telling others they can’t. That’s just fear. And watch, in time when they look back on this that is what they will say.

Outside dining doesn't work this time of the year except in a small percentage of places anyway. So, it's kind of moot to argue if it's COVID safe.

 

[War=Peace]

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/202...t-down-small-businesses-say-they-wont-survive

Are lock down states cutting their own necks ?

I think a lot of small businesses will close permanently , some may come back with time and investments but it will be to late for many of them.

Its almost like some mayors and governors are punishing small business, even when they know restaurants are not the big spreaders of covid 19.

A small price to pay to destroy Trump!

Especially since the Democrat sociopaths who pimped this disaster aren't paying it...

 

[cawacko]

Outside dining doesn't work this time of the year except in a small percentage of places anyway. So, it's kind of moot to argue if it's COVID safe.

You haven’t been to LA then. It’s glorious in December. And LA County told restaurants they could serve customers outside if they met certain guidelines. Many restaurants paid money to set up outdoor facilities only to have LA County say, “never mind we were just kidding, you can’t open.”

It wasn’t a science or data driven decision by the politicians. That’s why people are pissed and paying less respect to other government mandates which are science/data driven. Even in liberal California people will only accept so much when they recognized they are being hoodwinked

 

[Peace n Safety]

People weren't going to restaurants as much until the mask mandates in Michigan. Even then people got carryout more than anything and still do. Our local Culver's has a continuous line around the building and stretching into the street at peak times. If restaurants just up and crashed and burned it's because they couldn't adapt. A local fine dining restaurant shifted to making wood oven pizzas.

You have no clue how to run a business


Blessings

 

[Hawkeye10]

A small price to pay to destroy Trump!

Especially since the Democrat sociopaths who pimped this disaster aren't paying it...

You really should take this more seriously.....you know that the Revolution is out to burn America down so that UTOPIA can rise from the ashes....what better way is there to burn America down than to destroy the builders, to break faith with those who have a different idea than that the government should do everything, decide everything, that the masses should be the sheep in chains?

The betrayal is likely running deeper than what you say.

In which case we are really fucked.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

they will all be replaced with food kitchens.......

 

[Bulletbob]

You haven’t been to LA then. It’s glorious in December. And LA County told restaurants they could serve customers outside if they met certain guidelines. Many restaurants paid money to set up outdoor facilities only to have LA County say, “never mind we were just kidding, you can’t open.”

It wasn’t a science or data driven decision by the politicians. That’s why people are pissed and paying less respect to other government mandates which are science/data driven. Even in liberal California people will only accept so much when they recognized they are being hoodwinked

shes not thinking California Florida Texas Arizona Vegas parts of Georgia Alabama all have a lot of outside dinning and food truck all over the nation also do .

 

[Bulletbob]

Are they going to survive the crisis?
That would depend on how congress is dealing with them right now BB. Are they going to help them or abandon them?

Without relief money- MANY OF THEM ARE AS GOOD AS ALREADY OUT OF BUSINESS!

So if you want to save them- CONTACT McCONNELL ASAP AND EXPRESS YOUR CONCERNS!

and you think that we can afford all of this lol nope . letting them work is the answer

 

[Bulletbob]

It's already happened. Many businesses have closed permanently and will not return due to this shutdown. Not just restaurants either. Getting their business trashed by Democrat supported thugs didn't help either.

very true the democrats did billions in damages with the riots

 

[Hawkeye10]

very true the democrats did billions in damages with the riots

The willful destruction of the cities, supported by city leaders......there is either a Revolution afoot or else insanity.....or both....when that happens.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

and you think that we can afford all of this lol nope . letting them work is the answer

My question is why aren't they able to survive the virus by remaining open for takeout orders? I know several restaurants in my town that are surviving the germ storm in that way. And I am doing my part by continuing to order from them. My town has maintained a policy of allowing restaurants 25% occupancy and that has helped them out as well.

I may be like you in the respect, that I have never been for total shutdowns of Restaurants- Bars that is different. My favorite Kool-aid stand did open back up with a 25% seating rule- BUT THEN THESE IDIOTS that patronized the bar wouldn't safe distance, and were seen out in the beer garden sharing doobies etc. just like the old days, and the mayor shut them all back down again as that seemed to be the story in every bar in town. I was glad I stayed away as several of my friends caught the bug, and we know of a couple of them that croaked over it.

But, here in Dallas the Hospital beds are full of Covid patients, the IC units are pegged out, and the body bags are piling up in the death trailers.

Texas is a weird place as people here are partying here like it's 1999! It seems I am the only one staying home here as so many people are out running the town like a roach infestation out of control.

I don't know what is best dude! All I know is if more people distanced themselves, and wear their masks when they are around others, and skipped the TURKEY DINNERS with the In-laws and all the brats this year, PERHAPS WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER CHANCE AT ISOLATING THIS NASTY BUG.

But to just ignore the crisis and pretend it is just going to all go away is irresponsible, foolish, and deadly. Because clearly this is why it is still out of control and the local and state governments have to keep shutting down the system!

 

[Hawkeye10]

If there is a another big bailout on the generational warfare plan (debt) but little or nothing for restaurants that will be it for a lot of operators...."Nobody cares about us".

 

[Into the Night]

Yeah, the city is empty, everything is bordered up, it is a ghost town, got it

A lot of New York city is exactly that.

 

[Into the Night]

The evidence for masks is overwhelming and all should wear them and distance happily. If people bitching about your ignorance bothers you, just do the right thing, Masking is not painful. It is not asking much.

Masks do not stop a virus. You are still ignoring the N95 specification.
6 feet does not stop a virus. It is airborne.
Governor edicts are not law. Governors are not kings. Mask edicts are unconstitutional.

Masks can and do harbor bacteria.

Shutting businesses down does not stop a virus and is unconstitutional.

 

[Into the Night]

Wrong

Wrong again

That’s the market

Never said you could, but you can take measures to reduce its spread

I am not infected. I can't infect anyone. I don't need to wear a mask.

 

[Into the Night]

So if there were zero restrictions, no face mask emphasize, nothing, covid spreading unabated, you are saying that people would still be flocking to bars and restaurants?

Yes, and they have.

In general, probably not, but why put anyone at risk, if they approved outdoor dining the next goal post would be what defines outdoor dining

You are denying what is.

Not lacking empathy for the restaurant owner going out of business,

Yes you are, liar. You could care less about business owners including restaurant owners forced out of business by government edicts.

however I weigh it against the horror stories coming out of ER personnel,

Manufactured.

you can replace a restaurant, not a person

Your lack of empathy for people is astounding.

 

[Into the Night]

It’s his “freedom,” everything I see that excuse, and it is an excuse,

The Constitution is not an excuse. It is the law.

I think what some of these people would have done in WWII and the like,

You don't get to speak for them. You only get to speak for you.

be screaming you can’t ration gas,

You can't legally. FDR broke the law, just like he broke a lot of laws in the Constitution.

how can I drive the F250 Duelly

Irrelevant.

 

[Into the Night]

This bug rarely transmits outside, wearing a mask outside is dumb.

Wearing a mask anywhere is dumb. Masks are completely ineffective against viruses. They are good for dust and particulates 3u and larger, but no virus is anywhere near that large.

 

[Into the Night]

You’re creating a straw man.

Fallacy fallacy. There is no straw man here.

There were specific guidelines issued, which included social distancing, for restaurants to open outdoor dining.

Illegal. Governors are not kings. You can't shut down a business or limit it in any way while others are not under the same law, and edicts from governors are NOT LAW.

We’re not talking about opening bars nor are we talking about inside dining.

Also illegal. You cannot shut down some businesses and allow others to remain open, and you can't shut ANYTHING down by edicts. Governors are not kings.

If you want no risk shut the country down again and let no one outside for any reason.

That is exactly what is happening in some places. The SOTC for example.

Millions may die of starvation or other medical ailments but that’s your tradeoff for having no risk.

So risk of starvation or other medical ailments is a trade off of having no risk???

Otherwise we go by what science and the data tell us

No science here. Science is not data. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. Nothing more, nothing less.

and it’s says outdoor dining is acceptable following certain guidelines.

There is no such theory of science. Buzzword fallacy .

If you don’t want to go then don’t go.

I couldn't agree with this more.

But you’re not following science telling others they can’t.

No science here. Telling others to conform to his fear is simply acting like a king. He is no king.

That’s just fear.

Actually it's fear mongering. He is selling fear. Like the Church of Global Warming and the Church of Green, the Church of Covid is all about selling fear. All three religions stem from the Church of Karl Marx. All four religions are fundamentalist in nature.

And watch, in time when they look back on this that is what they will say.

They will probably wonder why we succumbed to such fascism so willingly.

 

[Into the Night]

People weren't going to restaurants as much until the mask mandates in Michigan. Even then people got carryout more than anything and still do. Our local Culver's has a continuous line around the building and stretching into the street at peak times. If restaurants just up and crashed and burned it's because they couldn't adapt. A local fine dining restaurant shifted to making wood oven pizzas.

Your lack of empathy for people is astounding.