What Would Reagan Do About Climate Change?

Aoxomoxoa said:
There is some simple science that is often neglected when considering melting ice. Sea ice actually takes up less volume when it melts as ice is about 4% greater in volume than liquid water.
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dear Sir,

The sky is indeed falling, I swear.

yours truly,

Chicken Little, esquire
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
There is some simple science that is often neglected when considering melting ice. Sea ice actually takes up less volume when it melts as ice is about 4% greater in volume than liquid water.
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it still translates into a rising sea level
 
Superfreak said:
dear Sir,

The sky is indeed falling, I swear.

yours truly,

Chicken Little, esquire
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I don't know; I suppose it's fun to call it all chicken little stuff, and compare it to the ice age scares of the '70's, but when I look at stories around the world over the past 10 years, I can't help but think we're at a tipping point environmentally.

Is there anyone who thinks our current consumption & pollution levels are sustainable? Maybe, but I'm not among them. If we don't change course, I can see scenarious where things could be pretty ugly in 30-50 years time.
 
Regarding ice melting in the Arctic, I need to remind people that Roald Amundsen sailed the North West passage in 1905 in a simple wooden built sloop. This was a journey considered impossible at the time, he ended up in San Francisco in October 1906 only months after the earthquake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gjøa
 
Onceler said:
I don't know; I suppose it's fun to call it all chicken little stuff, and compare it to the ice age scares of the '70's, but when I look at stories around the world over the past 10 years, I can't help but think we're at a tipping point environmentally.

Is there anyone who thinks our current consumption & pollution levels are sustainable? Maybe, but I'm not among them. If we don't change course, I can see scenarious where things could be pretty ugly in 30-50 years time.
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No, I do not think consumption levels of today are sustainable, nor do I think that we shouldn't be doing everything possible to reduce pollution. what I do find absurd is the 'consensus' shouting by the fear mongers and the outright meltdown of their computer models over the past decade+ with regards to CO2 driving warming.

and yes, I was exaggerating with the chicken little... we do have problems and things that we can do to correct those problems. I personally feel the fear mongers are a detriment to that.
 
Superfreak said:
Trust me, we have been laughing at the global warming fear mongers for decades now...
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I know, but how stupid are you not to help take measures that help preserve the Earth? What does it hurt? Why not cut down on pollution? Who does it hurt?
 
Superfreak said:
No, I do not think consumption levels of today are sustainable, nor do I think that we shouldn't be doing everything possible to reduce pollution. what I do find absurd is the 'consensus' shouting by the fear mongers and the outright meltdown of their computer models over the past decade+ with regards to CO2 driving warming.

and yes, I was exaggerating with the chicken little... we do have problems and things that we can do to correct those problems. I personally feel the fear mongers are a detriment to that.
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I will remember this when you are fear mongering.
 
Rana said:
I know, but how stupid are you not to help take measures that help preserve the Earth? What does it hurt? Why not cut down on pollution? Who does it hurt?
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Taking measures to help reduce pollution, I am all for that.
Making up shit to scare people into a scheme that is nothing more than a redistribution of wealth (cap and trade)... yeah... not for that.
Lying about potential outcomes and cause/effect relationships diminishes the environmental effort

The fear mongers are a detriment to the movement.
 
Superfreak said:
Taking measures to help reduce pollution, I am all for that.
Making up shit to scare people into a scheme that is nothing more than a redistribution of wealth (cap and trade)... yeah... not for that.
Lying about potential outcomes and cause/effect relationships diminishes the environmental effort

The fear mongers are a detriment to the movement.
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I guess I missed, because I usually don't follow these arguments, what climatologist have to do with cap and trade?
 
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