When Did Feminism Become So Embarrassing?

[Mott the Hoople]

I think the feminism movement fell prey to the same thing that so many social movements have. There are extremists who write or say outlandish things, and the media or the haters make sure that nonsense gets the press.

Who was that woman that wrote about marriage being an institution of slavery and rape? I forget her name, but she certainly got the press.

Just like PETA. It started out as a great idea to try and stop cruelty to animals, and was hijacked by the lunatic fringe.

That was either Andrea Dworkin or Catherine McKinnen.

 

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I read a story that Carol Burnette told about Lucille Ball. Apparently, just after Lucy divorced "The cuban", as she called him, she went into the studio to start her new show, and the script was terrible. Desi had always handled those things and Lucy was not known for being a tough boss. She told carol that she had everyone break for lunch and went into her office and thought about it all. After lunch she came out and straightened everything out like a professional. I love the line that she told Carol Burnette. "Kid, that was when the put the 's' on the end of my name."

awsome.

great big vagy balls

 

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awsome.

great big vagy balls

Have you heard the Betty White quote about "Grow some Balls"?



“Why do people say "grow some balls"? Balls are weak and sensitive. If you wanna be tough, grow a vagina. Those things can take a pounding.”

Not only is that a hilarious quote, the fact that it comes from Betty White makes it even better.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

The term is pro-life. You have plenty of choices that you can make that will prevent pregnancies. But I don't want to turn this into an abortion thread. So I will leave it at that.



The term here is pro-abortion... not pro-choice. so a woman protecting the life of a child is an 'anti-sex shamer'??? Wow... that is the kind of bat shit crazy bullshit that gets 'feminists' the 'embarrassing' label. You can't stand the fact that sane women disagree with murdering children.

Yes, feminists today are most certainly embarrassing themselves. No wonder she wouldn't accept the label. She got where she is today on her own merits and hard work. Not because some feminist shouted sexism a few decades ago.

The only one embarrasing themselves is you with your ignorant right wing rant. That or your just trolling the ladies.

If it hadn't of been for the feminist who came before and laid down the ground work and made the sacrifices, Mayer would have never even gotten the chance to work hard and get ahead. She probably wouldn't have even gotten the opportunity to even work the job, and if she had, she would have worked for substantially lower wagers, would have had to face sanctioned harrasement on a daily basis and her hard work would have primarily benifited the male who took credit for it.

Hell I can remember back in the early 70's when my grandfather was outraged at my father for permitting my mother to work a job outside the home. He thought it was embarrasing and that no real man would permit his wife to work outside the home. Then when he retired my Grandmother got a part time job and boy did gramps howl about that!

 

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That was either Andrea Dworkin or Catherine McKinnen.

If you mean the claim that all heterosexual sex is rape, you are both referring to Dworkin even though she never stated that. She did write some very radical text which extended her critiques of pornography to heterosexual sex, however, she was very clear that she was speaking only intercourse under a patriarchal system. She believed that equality would lead to egalitarian intercourse.

Her views were radical and easily twisted. Both Dworkin and McKinnen are vilified today because the single biggest issue men care about is often free internet porn. Any time even I, who is nowhere near as radical as the aforementioned women, whisper the slightest critique of pornography here on JPP they come running out of the woodwork as if some huge Batsignal has gone off warning men all over that A Woman Is Criticizing Pornography On The Internet. Nothing strikes fear into the heart of the modern man faster or more viscerally.

Well, unless it is STY and someone mentions that maybe it isn't the best idea for any nutball to be able to buy 6000 rounds and military grade weapons no questions asked..."I'LL KILL YOU!!! IF YOU TRY!!"

Whereas the mildest critique of porn is likely to get "YOU'RE SO UGLY YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS" kind of responses. A lot of women are jealous of the women in porn who get to be penetrated often violently by several men at once while being spit on called a whore. So you know, they have a point...

 

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The only one embarrasing themselves is you with your ignorant right wing rant. That or your just trolling the ladies.

If it hadn't of been for the feminist who came before and laid down the ground work and made the sacrifices, Mayer would have never even gotten the chance to work hard and get ahead. She probably wouldn't have even gotten the opportunity to even work the job, and if she had, she would have worked for substantially lower wagers, would have had to face sanctioned harrasement on a daily basis and her hard work would have primarily benifited the male who took credit for it.

Hell I can remember back in the early 70's when my grandfather was outraged at my father for permitting my mother to work a job outside the home. He thought it was embarrasing and that no real man would permit his wife to work outside the home. Then when he retired my Grandmother got a part time job and boy did gramps howl about that!

Alright say it loud!

You tell him Mott!

Applause applause! Hear, hear!

Boy is Sf going to be embarrassed when he sees what real men think.

 

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I was actually wondering if SF was trolling the women here too now that MOtt mentions it. But I am not sure what he is doing. Sometimes with SF, this is what I think anyway, it's a matter of he backs himself into a rhetorical corner and he is OCD so instead of saying, well that's not what i meant, or, you had a point, he will go down on the rhetorically asinine ship if his own building.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Alright say it loud!

You tell him Mott!

Applause applause! Hear, hear!

Boy is Sf going to be embarrassed when he sees what real men think.

Uhhhmm what the hell is a real man? I hear women use that phrase all the time and I've given it some thought. To most women a real man is senstive, thoughtful, considerate, tender, enjoy long walks on the beach, care about children and animals, they buy roses for no special reasons and they write poems for you, make you breakfest in bed, help you to clean house, rub your feet at night, hold your hand in public, cry with you when your sad, are always there for you when you need someone to talk to and most of all a real man appreciates a woman for who she is and not some sexual object.

So I thought hard about this and I concluded....fuck that..a real man is gay!!!

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I was actually wondering if SF was trolling the women here too now that MOtt mentions it. But I am not sure what he is doing. Sometimes with SF, this is what I think anyway, it's a matter of he backs himself into a rhetorical corner and he is OCD so instead of saying, well that's not what i meant, or, you had a point, he will go down on the rhetorically asinine ship if his own building.

Us guys call that "Screwing the pooch.". Which is why I keep telling SF he'd be much better off doing sheep.

 

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They could not have done so before the feminist movement. Before feminism they couldn't even vote. Again there's nothing debatable about this but if you want to make a fool of yourself feel free.

LMAO... as I stated, the feminist movement in the 1900-1950 time frame did benefit them. The feminism since then did not. Were you aware that the right to vote came in 1920... right smack in the middle of the time I said feminism helped. But do go on making a fool of yourself.

Tell us, what exactly do you think feminism did

 

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and women like lucy ball paved their way.

when she was in the business the ony character wshe could make good money off of was playing the brain addled house wife.

Just think of the funny shit she NEVER got to do because she had and inny and not an outy

again, yet another example of something from the 1950's. A time which I stated feminism helped. Thanks again for proving my point.

 

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The only one embarrasing themselves is you with your ignorant right wing rant. That or your just trolling the ladies.

Dear Ohio rube... do try reading what has been written before making such a fool of yourself.

If it hadn't of been for the feminist who came before and laid down the ground work and made the sacrifices, Mayer would have never even gotten the chance to work hard and get ahead. She probably wouldn't have even gotten the opportunity to even work the job, and if she had, she would have worked for substantially lower wagers, would have had to face sanctioned harrasement on a daily basis and her hard work would have primarily benifited the male who took credit for it.

which is what I stated... the feminist movement in the 1900's-1950's paved the way. The damage to the feminist label has been done since.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Dear Ohio rube... do try reading what has been written before making such a fool of yourself.



which is what I stated... the feminist movement in the 1900's-1950's paved the way. The damage to the feminist label has been done since.

I see. Really? So you're saying that there has been no discrimination of women in the work place and that glass ceilings haven't existed since the 1950's nor have there been any attacks on womens reproductive rights since the 1950s? The mind fairly boggles.

 

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I see. Really? So you're saying that there has been no discrimination of women in the work place and that glass ceilings haven't existed since the 1950's nor have there been any attacks on womens reproductive rights since the 1950s? The mind fairly boggles.

LMAO... again dear Ohio rube... try reading what I have written. Your pathetic little strawmen need not be created.

 

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Us guys call that "Screwing the pooch.". Which is why I keep telling SF he'd be much better off doing sheep.

dude you dont know Hollywood



btw I hold the door open for men all the time

I do as well.

Feminism needs the radicals, otherwise no one would pay attention. Unfortunately, this is true for all of those fighting for their rights. This day and age of 24 hour news, if you aren't the fringe, they dont want you. Why do you think moderates are getting pushed out of politics.

The writer of the article has all those "embarrassing" feminists to thank for her rights.

 

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Us guys call that "Screwing the pooch.". Which is why I keep telling SF he'd be much better off doing sheep.

She is entitled to view sex as she wishes. Just as you are. If she wishes to be chaste, I will respect that. If she wishes to run around and sleep with anyone and everyone, she has that choice too. I would respect that as well. Unlike you, I respect people's rights to determine for themselves what is right for them.

No, you don't, not really, otherwise, you wouldn't harp on the issues that you do. You wnt women to go along with you thought process on certain issues.

 

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Uhhhmm what the hell is a real man? I hear women use that phrase all the time and I've given it some thought. To most women a real man is senstive, thoughtful, considerate, tender, enjoy long walks on the beach, care about children and animals, they buy roses for no special reasons and they write poems for you, make you breakfest in bed, help you to clean house, rub your feet at night, hold your hand in public, cry with you when your sad, are always there for you when you need someone to talk to and most of all a real man appreciates a woman for who she is and not some sexual object.

So I thought hard about this and I concluded....fuck that..a real man is gay!!!

Everyone defines it differently I'm sure. to me a real man = a secure man.

 

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LMAO... as I stated, the feminist movement in the 1900-1950 time frame did benefit them. The feminism since then did not. Were you aware that the right to vote came in 1920... right smack in the middle of the time I said feminism helped. But do go on making a fool of yourself.

Tell us, what exactly do you think feminism did

I hate to inform you of this but after first wave feminism women were still denied jobs, pregnant women were not hired women who were planning on having children were not hired, it was legal to ask all of those questions. Ads were still placed for men only or women only (ghettoizing traditionally female-jobs), women were not promoted, women were not hired for "male" jobs, women were routinely sexually harassed, women were paid far less than men (still are but the gap has closed significantly), and so on.

Are you seriously this ignorant? I thought you were joking? If this is for real better pack it up. You're exposing something really that no one wants to see trust me.

 

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Dear Ohio rube... do try reading what has been written before making such a fool of yourself.



which is what I stated... the feminist movement in the 1900's-1950's paved the way. The damage to the feminist label has been done since.

So you are serious? You know nothing about feminist history nor do you have the first clue about how it was legal to discriminate against women in hiring and once hired, within the workplace. The fight against that just began well after first wave, and from 1950 on. I had no idea you were this stupid or this bigoted. Wow.

 

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LMAO... again dear Ohio rube... try reading what I have written. Your pathetic little strawmen need not be created.

He has not created a strawman. You are historically factually wrong and are making a huge ass out of yourself.

First wave feminism focused on suffrage and property rights. It was second wave feminism which addressed inequality in the workplace and in hiring practices.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You are inarguably wrong. It is not debatable. It is not a matter of opinion.

You are factually and historically wrong.