(Msg 18)
I think it's better if you keep your fucking hand out of MY pocket to enable his dependency, and let me worry about my OWN family and THEIR needs. I don't give a damn about the "reasons" he has the problems, it's not my business!
Your compassion is overwhelming.
You are full of shit, I do indeed know what I am talking about. I suffer from chronic back pain. It took me 6 years and 4 doctors before I finally discovered I had two ruptured disks. Before that diagnosis, you wanna know what they did? Prescribed pain pills and muscle relaxers. Now, I am the kind of person who just doesn't like taking medication of any kind, I won't even take a Tylenol unless I am really hurting. But I kept getting these prescriptions, and funny thing, a co-worker I knew at the time, was VERY interested in those! Seems the 'street value' of Oxycontin is very high. So don't tell me this doesn't happen, I am not as naive as you are about it, I actually have 'real world' experience with this.
That’s exactly what they were supposed to do; give you pain meds. Whether or not they diagnosed the problem is a separate issue.
I, also, had back pain. Nerve damage due to an accident and I went through a lot more than 4 doctors in two years until I found one who understood pain. Aspirin, Tylenol, codeine, anti-inflammatories, steroid injections…….until one day I asked my doctor what they gave someone who had a leg amputated. Aspirin? Tylenol?
He got the message and sent me to a doctor who specialized in cancer pain. Less than 15 minutes later I walked out of his office with a handful of Oxycontin and instructed to take one and see if the pain went away. If it didn’t I was to take two 12 hours later and see if the pain lessened. I was to continue increasing the dosage every 12 hours until the pain dissipated. When I reached the “magic number” I was to return to my family physician and tell him what I needed. A simple, straight forward, common sense approach.
Fortunately my family physician had many elderly patients and understood pain. He never questioned what I needed and when I required an increase two years later there was no problem. All he told me was the ‘Feds’ would be occasionally watching.
I went to a pain specialist at a university teaching hospital and within five minutes of being in his office he told me the first thing “we’re” going to do is get me off the meds to which I replied, “No, that is the last thing ‘we’re’ going to do.” First the pain goes then I give up the meds. In hindsight, I guess I should have been more diplomatic as he hadn’t injected me with steroids yet.
I think American people are VERY different from the rest of the world, we embrace FREEDOM and LIBERTY... we are defiantly INDEPENDENT... not CO-DEPENDENT! European Socialists are accustomed to sacrificing their freedoms to government, letting government take care of them, ceding their power to the government because they don't value freedom like we do. If you prefer that, you should move there!
Let me tell you what's about to happen.... Obama will be a one-term president who will go down in history as a monumental failure, and this massive government entitlement program will be rescinded in 2013 by a majority Republican congress and president. Proof that we are not like Europeans, we will fight like hell to get rid of this monstrosity. As for this idea you keep 'floating' about computerizing everyone's medical records and giving the government total access... that will happen with me when they put a tag on my toe and slide me into a drawer on a slab, because as long as I have a breath left in my body, I will refuse to participate. I'll fucking bet you money I am not the only American who feels that way about it. It continues to amaze me, the very same socialist idiots who railed and railed about government not having a place in a woman's womb, now feel it is imperative we allow government in our wombs, our colons, our liver, our kidneys... and every other aspect of our health and medical history!
Why do you keep confusing helping with interfering? No one is forcing you to see a doctor. The abortion debate regards the government interfering. With the medical plan no one is obliged to go to doctor. There is no obligation of any kind. What freedom is anyone ceding?
Do you have medical insurance? Do you pay cash so that your medical insurer isn’t involved? If not, why would you trust your medical records to a ‘for profit’ company and not to a government agency? Tell me your logic.
In ever example you can cite, of European-style Socialized Medicine, the system is failing on every level. It is NOT providing better quality, it is NOT cheaper, it is NOT more accessible, and it is driving the government into bankruptcy. In almost every instance, they have had to go in and re-introduce capitalist measures, in order to try and shore up the system. I know it is kind of embarrassing to admit your socialist system is failing, and has to rely on capitalism, because that wasn't how you envisioned it to work, and maybe that is why none of you ever mention this when you are trotting out these examples?
We’ve been over this a hundred times. The cost spent on medical care in countries with medical plans is about half per capita compared to what the US spends so any noise you hear about bankruptcy is nonsense.
The life expectancy in those countries is equal to or greater than in the US so the quality of care is a non-starter. When access in those countries is compared to the lack of access in the US, due to a lack of money, it puts a whole different picture on things. Of course, that’s the whole reason behind the health care reform; access.
Oh he delivered on "change" that's for sure... He has fundamentally changed how mainstream America views the left, and has sparked a vibrant opposition against his socialist communist agenda. The battle hasn't even begun yet, fucktard... just wait until the November bloodbath at the polls, when socialists are sent packing and heading for the hills. Then you're going to get used to being our BITCH! BITCH!
And we’ve been through this a hundred times, as well. “Obama will never win the election. Medical reform will never pass. “ Blah, blah, blah.
You’re trying to stop the tide from rising. It’s not healthy. Do some serious research on countries with medical plans. Don’t just read the headlines. Serious research. You’’ll see you have nothing to worry about.
No, things don't work the way you say except within your pathetically stupid head! You've introduced another one of your uninformed bird-brain socialist ideas, which can't be administered or regulated in any real way in the real world. What if the patient's weight is the same, and his blood sugar hasn't gone down... does the doc not get his bonus? It's not really HIS fault is it? He invested the time to "talk to" the patient, he doesn't control what the patient does. And how are we supposed to monitor this? How are we supposed to administer the bonuses for doctors? Take their word for things? What criteria would we set... you have to lose at least 1 pound per month... if your blood sugar only drops by a fraction, does the doc get his bonus?
What you've done, is thrown out another emotion-driven idea that you have no way of even knowing how to implement! You are just blathering on and on, like you have all the fucking answers, and you are a fucking moron!
Once again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. The doctor gets paid for his time. When something comes along such as leading a group or having a seminar the doctors with the greater success will naturally be chosen or given preference.
Just like my doctor. He sits on certain committees. The government pays the medical bills so the government can see the medical records. The info is written in the records.
You make it sound so complicated. The answers have already been discovered by seeing how other countries operate. The doctor who is more persuasive, perhaps spends a bit more time with patients, perhaps gives the patient a pamphlet or a phone number of a dietitian…..the little extras add up and the doctor gets a perk.
No, a doctor can't really tell! He can ask me if I have been smoking... if I tell him "NO!" he has no way to prove I am lying! If he asks me have I been exercising, again... he depends upon me being honest with my answer! Just because my weight is up or my blood pressure, doesn't mean I didn't follow the docs advice! Maybe I have some other problem causing the problem... does the doctor get the benefit of the doubt on these cases, or is his 'bonus' solely dependent on a set of predefined 'results' you (the gov) would like to see?
If you think a non-smoking doctor can not tell if a patient smokes you’re more of an idiot than I thought.
As for the rest of your silliness try and raise you mind above monetary gain. There are things more important to some people than counting their pennies. The bonus is professional recognition. The monetary incentive is secondary.
I bet you dump your piggy bank out every night and count the change before you go to sleep.
MEDI-FUCKING-CAID!
We've HAD a program for nearly 50 years, to deal with paying for medical care on people who can't afford medical care!
Then what was all the fuss about rising costs? Why didn’t people simply not buy insurance?
You’re a bozo, Bozo.
