Which States Have Handled COVID Best Recently?

I never understand why posters amputate a shred of a thought and present it as if it is a complete thought.

I think you misunderstand what people are doing. There is no attempt to present those items as comprehensive, but rather just to make it clear which specific item a response is directed to.

the assertion that the shape of the waves were identical from place to place even though they were timed differently

Yet, of course, we know that's not actually true. For example, see the new reported deaths by day graphs for NY and Florida, here:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

The timing was different, but the shapes of waves were different, too. NY's first wave was extremely steep and short. It went from a 1-death-per-day average in mid-March to a peak of 974 per day by mid-April, then an uninterrupted almost vertical drop back under 100 in a month and a half. Florida's first surge cracked 1 per day in late March, then rose for a bit through early May, then fell just slightly through mid-June, then rose again to a peak in early August, then fell to about half that level, then pretty much plateaued for a month, then fell again. The shapes are wildly different.

WERE THE PRODUCED OUTCOMES FROM THOSE DRACONIAN RESPONSES EFFECTIVE IN REDUCING THE DEATHS TO ZERO?

I reject the characterization as draconian. Some of the responses we're talking about were things like mask mandates and vaccine mandates, neither of which are draconian. But, yes, the policies weren't effective in reducing the deaths to zero. In the same sense, seatbelts don't reduce traffic fatality numbers to zero, but that doesn't mean that the "draconian" step of buckling up is a bad idea. It's a matter of comparing the cost of the measure to the benefit.

If not, those recommending draconian shut downs and so forth are simply comparing plates of pig crap, one to another, and declaring that one plate of pig crap is more tasty and smells better than another.

What we're actually doing is comparing different policy responses to a once-per-century disease threat. Some of those responses preserved a lot of lives relative to others. The differences are gigantic. For example, in the last year, it's as if "Red America" were suffering ten 9/11-magnitude terrorist attacks per month, in terms of how much their mortality is elevated relative to that of "Blue America."

The virus did what the virus did.

Yes, and one thing it did is killed people at much higher rates in areas that took a more laissez-faire approach to protecting residents. To your point, it's true that, as always with social science, causation is going to be impossible to show definitively. We cannot run the pandemic a hundred times while changing various variables in isolation to see what happens. Instead, we're stuck inferring things from correlations, from our one and only history with it. But what those correlations show is a statistically meaningful tendency for more politically conservative areas to have suffered higher mortality rates during the pandemic.... which, of course, is exactly what we'd expect to see based on their tendency to be less likely to follow expert advice. The experts, for example, warned that lower vaccination rates would mean higher mortality rates. All the data confirms that lower vaccination rates correlate with higher mortality rates. None of this is a surprise, even if it's emotionally uncomfortable for conservatives.

The measure to check is the run-up of the Federal Debt and the run-down of the private sector GDP.

Well, those were certainly huge issues during the period of the pandemic when the orange moron was in charge. But in 2021, we had a falling federal deficit and the best GDP growth in almost four decades, so we know it's possible to address those things even while working to rein in COVID. In fact, those policy measures to protect people from COVID are part of why 2021 looked so much better than 2020. For example, why were we losing jobs in December 2020 but gaining them rapidly in December 2021? A big part of the reason is that by December 2021 a huge portion of the population had been fully vaccinated, making it so people were able to engage more, economically, without taking on unreasonable health risks.

Small Businesses were the primary victims of the Government attacks on the private sector during the Covid attacks made by government.

Fortunately, government made a lot of money available to small businesses to see them through the pandemic, which is part of why our economy was able to bounce back so strongly in 2021 --most of those businesses were standing by and ready to ramp back up, rather than the economy taking years to recover as new firms had to be formed to fill the niches emptied by mass bankruptcies.

What happened in the US under the idiocy of the covid "response" was devastating.

Absolutely. Back when the idiot was running the show, our response was terrible and we suffered devastating loss of life, as well as the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression. Fortunately, the Biden era's been a big improvement.
 
Take another look at the data. As you can see, the mortality rate was MUCH, MUCH lower in the Blue States. In fact, the difference between the two is so huge that it's on par with what the difference would be if the Red States had suffered ten 9/11 attacks per month for a whole year. I know that conservatives would rather focus on specific mistakes or alleged mistakes made by Blue State governors, but while everyone makes mistakes, the averages show pretty clearly who was making more of them, or at least much worse mistakes. It turns out that living in the Red States, during COVID, was a whole hell of a lot more dangerous than living in the Blue ones.

Put the pipe down. Walk away........
 
I think you misunderstand what people are doing. There is no attempt to present those items as comprehensive, but rather just to make it clear which specific item a response is directed to.



Yet, of course, we know that's not actually true. For example, see the new reported deaths by day graphs for NY and Florida, here:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

The timing was different, but the shapes of waves were different, too. NY's first wave was extremely steep and short. It went from a 1-death-per-day average in mid-March to a peak of 974 per day by mid-April, then an uninterrupted almost vertical drop back under 100 in a month and a half. Florida's first surge cracked 1 per day in late March, then rose for a bit through early May, then fell just slightly through mid-June, then rose again to a peak in early August, then fell to about half that level, then pretty much plateaued for a month, then fell again. The shapes are wildly different.



I reject the characterization as draconian. Some of the responses we're talking about were things like mask mandates and vaccine mandates, neither of which are draconian. But, yes, the policies weren't effective in reducing the deaths to zero. In the same sense, seatbelts don't reduce traffic fatality numbers to zero, but that doesn't mean that the "draconian" step of buckling up is a bad idea. It's a matter of comparing the cost of the measure to the benefit.



What we're actually doing is comparing different policy responses to a once-per-century disease threat. Some of those responses preserved a lot of lives relative to others. The differences are gigantic. For example, in the last year, it's as if "Red America" were suffering ten 9/11-magnitude terrorist attacks per month, in terms of how much their mortality is elevated relative to that of "Blue America."



Yes, and one thing it did is killed people at much higher rates in areas that took a more laissez-faire approach to protecting residents. To your point, it's true that, as always with social science, causation is going to be impossible to show definitively. We cannot run the pandemic a hundred times while changing various variables in isolation to see what happens. Instead, we're stuck inferring things from correlations, from our one and only history with it. But what those correlations show is a statistically meaningful tendency for more politically conservative areas to have suffered higher mortality rates during the pandemic.... which, of course, is exactly what we'd expect to see based on their tendency to be less likely to follow expert advice. The experts, for example, warned that lower vaccination rates would mean higher mortality rates. All the data confirms that lower vaccination rates correlate with higher mortality rates. None of this is a surprise, even if it's emotionally uncomfortable for conservatives.



Well, those were certainly huge issues during the period of the pandemic when the orange moron was in charge. But in 2021, we had a falling federal deficit and the best GDP growth in almost four decades, so we know it's possible to address those things even while working to rein in COVID. In fact, those policy measures to protect people from COVID are part of why 2021 looked so much better than 2020. For example, why were we losing jobs in December 2020 but gaining them rapidly in December 2021? A big part of the reason is that by December 2021 a huge portion of the population had been fully vaccinated, making it so people were able to engage more, economically, without taking on unreasonable health risks.



Fortunately, government made a lot of money available to small businesses to see them through the pandemic, which is part of why our economy was able to bounce back so strongly in 2021 --most of those businesses were standing by and ready to ramp back up, rather than the economy taking years to recover as new firms had to be formed to fill the niches emptied by mass bankruptcies.



Absolutely. Back when the idiot was running the show, our response was terrible and we suffered devastating loss of life, as well as the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression. Fortunately, the Biden era's been a big improvement.

You are turning a blind eye to what is obvious.

The wavbes occurred and they occurred everywhere after the virus was introduced to any given area.

The mask mandates were useless. The shut downs stopped nothing. the school shut downs were particularly useless and children were not threatened in any event by the original Covid Strain.

With masks in particular, we are now told that no mask except the N-95 masks were effective. A 2% reduction is not significant. Vaccine mandates were/are illegal. "My body, my choice".

The number of vaccines administered on the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.5 Million. In a few short months, Biden reduced that to below his announced goal of a million per day. He also had improved therapeutics developed under Trump.

The number of deaths under Biden's ineffectiveness is MUCH higher than under Trump even WITH everything Trump left him to attack the Virus..

Trump handed off a vaccine that was apparently pretty effective. It reduced the share of deaths from Covid among the elderly from about 92% to about 88%.

Sorry. The facts are the facts. Ignoring them doesn't change reality, only your presentation of reality.

The Covid response(s) recommended by the NIH and the CDC and implemented by the States were crap. The Virus did what the Virus did.

I caught the Omicron Variant while following all of the recommendations in force in January of 2022. Very likely caught it from the wife who very likely caught it on the job.

If the experts' recommendations were right, the Virus would have been contained. If the experts were wrong, the virus would have run wild. It ran wild. 84 Million US cases.

"If this is true, what else must be true?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
 
The wavbes occurred and they occurred everywhere after the virus was introduced to any given area.

Nobody is disputing that. However, the waves were of vastly different sizes and shapes in different areas, and over two complete annual cycles, the impact of that is glaringly obvious in terms of how much mortality rose, overall, in each area. Generally speaking, places that took more aggressive efforts, including mask mandates and targeted shutdowns, did better, with far smaller increases in mortality, on average, equating to unimaginably huge differences in actual numbers of deaths.

I understand that on the right it's an article of faith that the mask mandates were useless and that shut-downs didn't help. But if you focus on the data, rather than what you wish were true, you'll see a very different story.

With masks in particular, we are now told that no mask except the N-95 masks were effective.

Who, specifically, is telling you that?

A 2% reduction is not significant.

What makes you think that? Since I've got some training in statistics, I tend to think of the word "significant" in that defined context. One cannot say whether a 2% difference is significant or not without knowing the context, and specifically the sample size, because significance is the point at which randomness is no longer a sensible hypothesis for a difference. A difference of 2% may be insignificant (say, more than a 5% chance the difference showed up randomly) at one sample size, and highly significant (say less than 0.1% chance it showed up randomly) at another sample size.

Vaccine mandates were/are illegal. "My body, my choice".

Which law, specifically, did they violate?

If the experts' recommendations were right, the Virus would have been contained.

What makes you think that? It was about the odds. The experts tell us we're safer if we wear a seatbelt, but that doesn't mean nobody will every die in a traffic accident if a lot of people wear their seatbelts.

If the experts were wrong about the counter-measures, we shouldn't have seen any statistically meaningful difference in how much mortality rates were elevated during the pandemic between states (or countries) that more aggressively followed the expert advice, and those that didn't. It should have been close enough for randomness to explain the differences. But, it turns out, it wasn't.
 
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