White Grievance Culture

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"Alarm bells are ringing about the dangerous implications of the behavior of the Republican Party. By doubling down on defense of the Big Lie that the 2020 election was stolen, punishing any members who reject that lie, refusing to support an investigation into the January 6 insurrection at the Capitol, and unleashing a fusillade of voter suppression legislation across the country, many see these actions as an ominous new trend in American politics that threatens the foundations of our democracy itself.

Viewed through the lens of history, however, none of this is new. The hard truth is that whichever United States political party has been most rooted in the fears, anxieties, and resentments of white people has never cared much about democracy or the Constitution designed to preserve it. Those who do want to make America a multi-racial democracy must face this fact with clear eyes and stiff spines to repel the ever-escalating threats to the nation’s most cherished institutions and values.

Contemporary analysis of domestic politics is obscured by the historical fact that white Americans fearful of the ramifications of equality for people of color have moved their political home from the Democratic Party, which was their preferred vehicle at the time of the Civil War, to the Republican Party, where they reside today. In the 19th century, Democrats dominated the South, led 11 states to secede from the Union, and waged a murderous multiyear war against their fellow Americans. Today, it is the Republicans who are the standard-bearers of the modern-day Confederate cause.

Whatever the label, the party that prioritized protecting white rights has always been more willing to destroy the country than accept a situation where people of color are equal and can participate in the democratic process.

Donald Trump was not the first politician to refuse to accept the results of a presidential contest. After Abraham Lincoln and the anti-slavery Republican Party won the election of 1860, the Confederates did not waste time filing lawsuits and trying to bully state election officials into overturning their state’s election results. They simply severed their ties with the United States of America, seceded from the union with the defiant 1861 Cornerstone Speech by Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens declaring that “the negro is not equal to the white man,” and quickly organized an army that killed hundreds of thousands of their formerly fellow countrymen.

The violence, bloodshed, and contempt for America’s democratic institutions did not end with the conclusion of the Civil War. Just five days after the Confederates formally conceded defeat and surrendered on April 9, 1865, Confederate sympathizer John Wilkes Booth shot the president of the United States in the back of the head, having told colleagues that Lincoln’s speech in support of allowing Black people to vote “means nigger citizenship,” with Booth vowing, “That is the last speech he will ever make.”

Even passage of constitutional amendments ending slavery, securing equal protection of the laws to people of all races, and guaranteeing the right to vote (the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments) meant little to the political leaders committed to the concept that America is, first and foremost, a white nation. Much as Southern leaders in the past few months have passed a blizzard of voter suppression legislation in states across the former Confederacy, so too did their predecessors furiously draft laws designed to accomplish with pens and ink what they could not achieve with guns and bullets. "

The Party of White Grievance Has Never Cared About Democracy
From the Democrats of the Civil War era to the Republicans of the Trump years, the white party has always posed the greatest threat to our political system.
 
"Tucker Carlson huddled in a low-ceilinged dungeon that had served as a holding pen for Africans bound for enslavement in the United States. It was a July day in 2003 in Ghana, and Carlson stood alongside some of America’s most prominent civil rights leaders.

The conservative commentator, who at the time co-hosted the CNN show “Crossfire,” walked through the memorial, where a guide told how the shackled Africans who did not perish during the voyage were sold as human chattel in America.

The civil rights leaders prayed, cried and sang “We Shall Overcome.” They peered toward the sea from the Door of No Return. But Carlson seemed strangely detached, according to two of the civil rights leaders who were present.

“When we got to the castle and the dungeon, it had an emotional impact on all of us, as Africans in America,” said the Rev. Albert Sampson, a former associate of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. Then there was what he called “the tragedy of Carlson.”

“He did not cry,” Sampson told The Washington Post in his first interview about the encounter. “He did not have any intellectual response. He didn’t give any verbal response. It was a total detachment from the reality of the event.”

When Carlson wrote an account of the trip several months later, he sounded derisive, describing how he thought a teary-eyed Sampson “was going to bite me” but instead put his arms on Carlson and said with a smile, “I love you, man.”

“Sampson was trying to make me feel guilty,” Carlson wrote in an account for Esquire. “It wasn’t obvious to me at the time. The idea that I’d be responsible for the sins (or, for that matter, share in the glory of the accomplishments) of dead people who happened to share my skin tone has always confused me. Racial solidarity wasn’t a working concept in my southern-California hometown.”

....

But Carlson’s assessment of his trip to Ghana nearly two decades ago offered an early sign of sentiments that he had been expressing for years — and that would ultimately help transform him into the preeminent voice of angry White America. It is that role that Carlson, 52, now plays every weeknight from his prime-time perch on Fox News."

How Tucker Carlson Became the Voice of White Grievance
 
There's a picture of Carlson, Al Sharpton, and Sam Feist in 2003, attending the Radio and Television Correspondents Association annual dinner in D.C. in 2003. Al and Sam look engaged, and Carlson, I swear, looks just like Trump, with this smirk on his face, and his arms folded, totally disengaged.

Shame on you, Tucker


"What emerges is a portrait of an ambitious television personality who came of age in privilege — having grown up in an upper-class enclave and attended private schools — but who, by his own telling, is a victim.

Carlson, in his writings and commentaries, has described resentment toward liberals as far back as the first grade. He has frequently ridiculed the notion that America should celebrate diversity and has lashed out repeatedly at the idea that he, as a White person, bears any responsibility for racism against Black people.

Two of the leading conservative activists battling critical race theory, an academic construct in which systemic racism is studied, credit him with the rapid rise of their movement, while Black scholars he frequently targets say he mischaracterizes and manipulates their work to suit his agenda."

Tucker Carlson is anti-diversity, anti-social, pro-white domination.
 
Interesting.

Tucker Carlson in 1999, on Donald Trump:

"He is the single most repulsive person on the planet."

And on Trump's party at the time - “They’re just a bunch of wackos.”
 
"Alarm bells are ringing about the dangerous implications of the behavior of the Republican Party. By doubling down on defense of the Big Lie that the 2020 election was stolen, punishing any members who reject that lie, refusing to support an investigation into the January 6 insurrection at the Capitol, and unleashing a fusillade of voter suppression legislation across the country, many see these actions as an ominous new trend in American politics that threatens the foundations of our democracy itself.

Viewed through the lens of history, however, none of this is new. The hard truth is that whichever United States political party has been most rooted in the fears, anxieties, and resentments of white people has never cared much about democracy or the Constitution designed to preserve it. Those who do want to make America a multi-racial democracy must face this fact with clear eyes and stiff spines to repel the ever-escalating threats to the nation’s most cherished institutions and values.

Contemporary analysis of domestic politics is obscured by the historical fact that white Americans fearful of the ramifications of equality for people of color have moved their political home from the Democratic Party, which was their preferred vehicle at the time of the Civil War, to the Republican Party, where they reside today. In the 19th century, Democrats dominated the South, led 11 states to secede from the Union, and waged a murderous multiyear war against their fellow Americans. Today, it is the Republicans who are the standard-bearers of the modern-day Confederate cause.

Whatever the label, the party that prioritized protecting white rights has always been more willing to destroy the country than accept a situation where people of color are equal and can participate in the democratic process.

Donald Trump was not the first politician to refuse to accept the results of a presidential contest. After Abraham Lincoln and the anti-slavery Republican Party won the election of 1860, the Confederates did not waste time filing lawsuits and trying to bully state election officials into overturning their state’s election results. They simply severed their ties with the United States of America, seceded from the union with the defiant 1861 Cornerstone Speech by Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens declaring that “the negro is not equal to the white man,” and quickly organized an army that killed hundreds of thousands of their formerly fellow countrymen.

The violence, bloodshed, and contempt for America’s democratic institutions did not end with the conclusion of the Civil War. Just five days after the Confederates formally conceded defeat and surrendered on April 9, 1865, Confederate sympathizer John Wilkes Booth shot the president of the United States in the back of the head, having told colleagues that Lincoln’s speech in support of allowing Black people to vote “means nigger citizenship,” with Booth vowing, “That is the last speech he will ever make.”

Even passage of constitutional amendments ending slavery, securing equal protection of the laws to people of all races, and guaranteeing the right to vote (the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments) meant little to the political leaders committed to the concept that America is, first and foremost, a white nation. Much as Southern leaders in the past few months have passed a blizzard of voter suppression legislation in states across the former Confederacy, so too did their predecessors furiously draft laws designed to accomplish with pens and ink what they could not achieve with guns and bullets. "

The Party of White Grievance Has Never Cared About Democracy
From the Democrats of the Civil War era to the Republicans of the Trump years, the white party has always posed the greatest threat to our political system.

Catering to the dictatorship of lobbyists is not a democracy. So use to having your own head stuffed up your own backside ...
 
"On one Bubba show, on March 21, 2006, Carlson seemed to foreshadow Trump’s candidacy. He said that Republicans could no longer claim to be the party of fiscal restraint, so the only way a party member could be elected president was to villainize Muslims. “Who’s going to protect the country against, you know, the Muslim lunatics who want to hurt us — is the only thing the Republicans have left.”

Carlson said a successful candidate would have to say, in effect, “Look, I’m a bigot. OK. I’m a bigot. I don’t like Islamic extremists. Like if you are really heavily into Islam — I’m sorry, I just don’t — I don’t care for you that much. And I don’t care what that sounds like, you can call me a racist, you can call me whatever the f--- you want.” He said, “I’d vote for you if you said that. And I think that most Americans would.”

A radio co-host then said: “So, basically we need a racist president. ‘We need to get these Mexicans out of here, and the Islam. Let’s kill all the Muslims.’ ”

Carlson responded: “I think that you’re onto something. I mean, not someone who’s like a Klansman or anything, but someone who’s totally unbound by [politically correct] rules, who will just say whatever the hell he wants. . . . That guy is going to get elected.”"

How Tucker Carlson Became The Voice Of White Grievance
 
From the link above:

"Then, after months of seeking to dispute reports about the role of white nationalists in the Jan. 6 insurrection, Carlson made the astonishing claim that “FBI operatives were organizing the attack on the Capitol.” He said this was spelled out in court documents that mentioned the involvement of unindicted co-conspirators, who Carlson surmised were undercover agents from the FBI.

“So it turns out that this ‘white supremacist’ insurrection was, again by the government’s own admission in these documents, organized at least in part by government agents,” Carlson said.

"At the heart of Carlson’s rhetoric is his contention that elites are forcing institutions to adopt policies that blame Whites for systemic racism.

On Sept. 1, 2020, Carlson’s guest was Rufo, who had previously appeared on the show to talk about homelessness and public disorder. Rufo told Carlson he had conducted investigations that showed the federal government had undertaken a “cult indoctrination” to convince people that the United States is systemically racist. “What I’ve discovered is that critical race theory has become . . . the default ideology of the federal bureaucracy and is now being weaponized against the American people,” Rufo said on the broadcast.

Rufo’s appearance brought his allegations about government indoctrination to millions of people — including one particularly important viewer: Trump.

The president saw the show and tweeted that critical race theory is “a sickness that cannot be allowed to continue.” Within days, the White House produced a memo saying that no money could be spent by federal agencies on any training related to the theory or the idea of “white privilege,” or training that suggested that any race is “inherently racist.” Trump signed an executive order on Sept. 22 banning sensitivity training seminars for federal employees related to critical race theory.

“It wouldn’t have happened without Tucker,” Rufo said in an email.

President Biden rescinded the order on his first day in office, saying “unity and healing must begin with understanding and truth, not ignorance and lies.”"

In fact, the government has not admitted any such thing, legal experts said."
 
I began a thread about White Grievance Culture, and in researching about it, it led me directly to Tucker Carlson.

Imagine that.
 
Mother Jones did an article on Rage in the USA in the current issue.

Looked at all the possible reasons that hate has gotten so bad.

Theories include:

1. Americans have gone crazy with conspiracy theories. - Nope, they've been around far longer than the new rage at government.

2. The advent of social media. - Nope, the rage craze has been around longer than social media.

3. Things have really just gotten worse. - Nope, we've had grave threats throughout our existence.

4. Eroding public trust in government? - Nope, that eroded greatly during the Vietnam War and Nixon, and was never regained.

So what is it?

The article concludes that the one big thing which has changed about the time the American right began to become so angry is the advent of Fox News.
 
Interesting.

Tucker Carlson in 1999, on Donald Trump:

"He is the single most repulsive person on the planet."

And on Trump's party at the time - “They’re just a bunch of wackos.”

Trump still is. Trump won because--regardless of his personality flaws as massive as they are--he wasn't a party hack like Romney and McCain were. That too is why the Washington establishment, deep state, insiders, and MSM absolutely hated him. He wasn't one of them, never would be, and couldn't be brought to heel so-to-speak. That's why he's still reviled today.
Now, that isn't an endorsement of Trump in any way, shape, or form. It's simply an observation. Trump is an obnoxious troll and self flagellating narcissist, but isn't the establishment's Yes Man either.
 
Mother Jones did an article on Rage in the USA in the current issue.

Looked at all the possible reasons that hate has gotten so bad.

Theories include:

1. Americans have gone crazy with conspiracy theories. - Nope, they've been around far longer than the new rage at government.

2. The advent of social media. - Nope, the rage craze has been around longer than social media.

3. Things have really just gotten worse. - Nope, we've had grave threats throughout our existence.

4. Eroding public trust in government? - Nope, that eroded greatly during the Vietnam War and Nixon, and was never regained.

So what is it?

The article concludes that the one big thing which has changed about the time the American right began to become so angry is the advent of Fox News.

The article is wrong.

Government and its fuck ups, incompetence, and nattering has been around forever. What's changed is in the electronics age information flows in massive quantities virtually instantaneously around the planet. This is completely new and never existed in history before. It's only really taken off since about the 1990's.
Things haven't gotten worse. They've gotten exposure. That is eroding trust in government because government hasn't changed with the times.

Here's a quick example:

Remember during the Bush Gore election when Dan Rather came on with supposed memos showing Bush had deserted / disobeyed orders during his National Guard service days before the election? In the pre-Electronics age such fabricated, false, memos would have taken weeks or months to discover and discredit. By then, the election would have been over and the damage done by the perpetrator of that misinformation.
But what happened in the Electronics age was that within 72 hours document experts, those with knowledge of the origins of the memos, etc., had spread across the Internet and were demolishing the story and memos as a hoax. The evidence of that was complete and overwhelming. Dan Rather retired in disgrace. A number of CBS employees involved were fired. The whole thing blew up in their face in less than three days.

It isn't just the Right that's angry about how things are going. It's everybody to some extent, and what drives it is a completely new and not yet fully integrated into society level of information delivered at blinding speed to everyone that wants it. The legacy media and press--newspapers are dying like the dinosaurs they are--no longer can control the narrative, limit, or shape it. There is simply too much information freely available to make that happen.
Thus, when government does stupid shit they get it pointed out and people get angry. It has nothing to do with FOX whatsoever.
 
Hello T. A. Gardner,

Trump still is. Trump won because--regardless of his personality flaws as massive as they are--he wasn't a party hack like Romney and McCain were. That too is why the Washington establishment, deep state, insiders, and MSM absolutely hated him. He wasn't one of them, never would be, and couldn't be brought to heel so-to-speak. That's why he's still reviled today.
Now, that isn't an endorsement of Trump in any way, shape, or form. It's simply an observation. Trump is an obnoxious troll and self flagellating narcissist, but isn't the establishment's Yes Man either.

I agree with a lot of this.

Some exceptions:

There is no 'deep state.' That's just another ridiculous conspiracy theory; sort of like Q lite.

The MSM profited heavily from Trump. Maybe some of the people who work for the MSM are abhorred by Trump, but the executive and investors made a lot of money. Viewership has dropped off since Trump left office.

Fox Propaganda Channel didn't create government distrust. What it did was intensify it into rage.

I wish we could have a way to know how many of the insurrectionists are Fox viewers. I would expect it to be a very high percentage. They acted out the emotions Tucker Carlson whipped up.

Somehow, a lot of people have gotten the idea that white men somehow 'have it bad' in America. That they are persecuted and being discriminated against. The idea is out there that if blacks are raised to the level of financial security of whites, that whites somehow are 'losing out.'

It's just racism of a different form.

I've looked through the photos on the FBI BOLO website for the capitol insurrectionists. Not a single black man there.
 
Trump still is. Trump won because--regardless of his personality flaws as massive as they are--he wasn't a party hack like Romney and McCain were. That too is why the Washington establishment, deep state, insiders, and MSM absolutely hated him. He wasn't one of them, never would be, and couldn't be brought to heel so-to-speak. That's why he's still reviled today.
Now, that isn't an endorsement of Trump in any way, shape, or form. It's simply an observation. Trump is an obnoxious troll and self flagellating narcissist, but isn't the establishment's Yes Man either.

Dude, I just wanted to say that you thinking you are somehow a threadkiller is a bit pretentious if not trying to toot your own tooter!

That's what you do best here- Is just toot your own tooter! I suppose it is just for tooting's sake!

Can you give us an example of Trump flagellating himself-

Or did you mean he causes a lot of his own misery?
 
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Dude, I just wanted to say that you thinking you are somehow a threadkiller is a bit pretentious if not trying to toot your own tooter!

That's what you do best here- Is just toot your own tooter! I suppose it is just for tooting's sake!

Well, it worked on you. I killed your participation in the thread other than to just make some irrelevant and gratuitous insults. Your participation in the thread is dead!
 
Hello T. A. Gardner,

The article is wrong.

Government and its fuck ups, incompetence, and nattering has been around forever. What's changed is in the electronics age information flows in massive quantities virtually instantaneously around the planet. This is completely new and never existed in history before. It's only really taken off since about the 1990's.
Things haven't gotten worse. They've gotten exposure. That is eroding trust in government because government hasn't changed with the times.

Here's a quick example:

Remember during the Bush Gore election when Dan Rather came on with supposed memos showing Bush had deserted / disobeyed orders during his National Guard service days before the election? In the pre-Electronics age such fabricated, false, memos would have taken weeks or months to discover and discredit. By then, the election would have been over and the damage done by the perpetrator of that misinformation.
But what happened in the Electronics age was that within 72 hours document experts, those with knowledge of the origins of the memos, etc., had spread across the Internet and were demolishing the story and memos as a hoax. The evidence of that was complete and overwhelming. Dan Rather retired in disgrace. A number of CBS employees involved were fired. The whole thing blew up in their face in less than three days.

It isn't just the Right that's angry about how things are going. It's everybody to some extent, and what drives it is a completely new and not yet fully integrated into society level of information delivered at blinding speed to everyone that wants it. The legacy media and press--newspapers are dying like the dinosaurs they are--no longer can control the narrative, limit, or shape it. There is simply too much information freely available to make that happen.
Thus, when government does stupid shit they get it pointed out and people get angry. It has nothing to do with FOX whatsoever.

The article cited the Pew Research Center's study on trust in government.

"When the National Election Study began asking about trust in government in 1958, about three-quarters of Americans trusted the federal government to do the right thing almost always or most of the time. Trust in government began eroding during the 1960s, amid the escalation of the Vietnam War, and the decline continued in the 1970s with the Watergate scandal and worsening economic struggles. Confidence in government recovered in the mid-1980s before falling again in the mid-1990s. But as the economy grew in the late 1990s so too did confidence in government. Public trust reached a three-decade high shortly after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, but declined quickly thereafter. Since 2007, the share saying they can trust the government always or most of the time has not surpassed 30%.

Currently, 36% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents say they can trust government, compared with 9% of Republicans and Republican-leaners. Throughout Trump’s tenure, more Republicans than Democrats reported trusting the government, though that has flipped since Biden’s election. Since the 1970s, trust in government has been consistently higher among members of the party that controls the White House than among the opposition party. Republicans have often been more reactive than Democrats to changes in political leadership, with Republicans expressing much lower levels of trust during Democratic presidencies, while Democrats’ attitudes have tended to be somewhat more consistent, regardless of which party controls the White House. However, the GOP and Democratic shift in attitudes between the end of the Trump presidency and the early Biden presidency is roughly the same magnitude."

Republicans score higher on Racial Resentment Index:

Screenshot 2021-08-26 at 15-30-36 The real reason Americans are so damn angry all the time.jpg

(click to enlarge chart)

Republicans watch Fox. The graph of racial resentment, ie White Grievance, took a nosedive for Republicans right after Tucker Carlson's show began on Fox.

I think the Mother Jones Article is spot on.
 
Hello Geeko Sportivo,

Dude, I just wanted to say that you thinking you are somehow a threadkiller is a bit pretentious if not trying to toot your own tooter!

That's what you do best here- Is just toot your own tooter! I suppose it is just for tooting's sake!

Can you give us an example of Trump flagellating himself-

Or did you mean he causes a lot of his own misery?

I disagree.

I appreciate hearing T. A. Gardner's input. He is one of the conservatives in the Forum who is able to politely speak to a point and give an honest opinion. That makes for interesting conversation and learning about how people of different views see things. It's a refreshing break from the all too predictable common boring insult fests.

Have you anything to say about White Grievance Culture?

Looks like it's pretty strong in the Republican camp, and it looks like Fox and Tucker Carlson is the big reason for the intensity.
 
Hello Geeko Sportivo,



I disagree.

I appreciate hearing T. A. Gardner's input. He is one of the conservatives in the Forum who is able to politely speak to a point and give an honest opinion. That makes for interesting conversation and learning about how people of different views see things. It's a refreshing break from the all too predictable common boring insult fests.

Have you anything to say about White Grievance Culture?

Looks like it's pretty strong in the Republican camp, and it looks like Fox and Tucker Carlson is the big reason for the intensity.

I don't think much about White Grievance Culture- except that I have to share my White race with a bunch of racists that hate all minorities.

I can't believe that it is 2021 and so many White racists still exist in the US. And now they seem to be calling for a civil race war!
 
Hello Geeko Sportivo,

I don't think much about White Grievance Culture- except that I have to share my White race with a bunch of racists that hate all minorities.

I can't believe that it is 2021 and so many White racists still exist in the US. And now they seem to be calling for a civil race war!

Well, we've heard those calls for another Civil War for a long time now. That's just the extremists. Most people are happy to be part of a great diverse nation. Although most people are becoming woke to the fact that racism is still a problem for the USA and most of the world. We will probably never solve that, but we can certainly improve the situation by improving access to voting, which is being attacked by White Grievance Culture.

You know, Tucker Carlson may have gotten the right all fired up about Critical Race Theory, but there is no reason we can't give that faux outrage a name.

And that name is White Grievance Culture.
 
Hello Geeko Sportivo,



Well, we've heard those calls for another Civil War for a long time now. That's just the extremists. Most people are happy to be part of a great diverse nation. Although most people are becoming woke to the fact that racism is still a problem for the USA and most of the world. We will probably never solve that, but we can certainly improve the situation by improving access to voting, which is being attacked by White Grievance Culture.

You know, Tucker Carlson may have gotten the right all fired up about Critical Race Theory, but there is no reason we can't give that faux outrage a name.

And that name is White Grievance Culture.

We shouldn't have to doll anything up- It is just Hatred in conjunction with White Racism- pure and simple!

These are people who have no toleration of others period. Minorities don't have a right to exist here in their little world!

Even if we were all White in this land- They would find some other way to divide us by sex, age, size, political choice, religion, money class, or sexual preference.

Haters are going to hate! It is just what they do for fun and entertainment!
 
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