Who agrees with Cheney?
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Answers in the order of the questions.
1. I don't know yet, it remains to be seen.
2. I have stated many times that giving up either essential liberties or a national identity, is not worth it.
3. It's possible. If you discount the possible after effects that torturing enemies will have such as an aversion to surrender that can actually put more in danger, it is possible that we may have captured somebody that would have killed Americans based on information gathered from waterboarding.
4. You didn't ask, but I agree with Cheney that gays should be allowed to marry.
1. I don't know yet, it remains to be seen.
2. I have stated many times that giving up either essential liberties or a national identity, is not worth it.
3. It's possible. If you discount the possible after effects that torturing enemies will have such as an aversion to surrender that can actually put more in danger, it is possible that we may have captured somebody that would have killed Americans based on information gathered from waterboarding.
4. You didn't ask, but I agree with Cheney that gays should be allowed to marry.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
1. Yes.
2&3. I think you mean "torture", yet the enhanced interrogation techniques approved by Cheney and Pelosi do not meet the definition of torture. The approved techniques were necessary, and did in fact save American lives.
Whats your def of torture?
Now you are claiming Pelosi approved these techniques?
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it is telling that obama has never denied cheney saying that the enhanced techniques did gain important intelligence and saved lives....you would think obama would be all over that
instead obama pusses out and makes a fluff comment that, well...we could have gotten that information other ways....
nice, makes a comment that can never been proven true or false, kind of like, i will create or save 1 BILLION jobs...
instead obama pusses out and makes a fluff comment that, well...we could have gotten that information other ways....
nice, makes a comment that can never been proven true or false, kind of like, i will create or save 1 BILLION jobs...
Yes to the first question and
Don't know what you're babbling about for the next 2...what torture ?
TuTu Monroe
A Realist
You know I would agree with you. 
quote=Southern Man;440539]1. Yes.
2&3. I think you mean "torture", yet the enhanced interrogation techniques approved by Cheney and Pelosi do not meet the definition of torture. The approved techniques were necessary, and did in fact save American lives.[/quote]
quote=Southern Man;440539]1. Yes.
2&3. I think you mean "torture", yet the enhanced interrogation techniques approved by Cheney and Pelosi do not meet the definition of torture. The approved techniques were necessary, and did in fact save American lives.[/quote]
[/QUOTE]You know I would agree with you.
quote=Southern Man;440539]1. Yes.
2&3. I think you mean "torture", yet the enhanced interrogation techniques approved by Cheney and Pelosi do not meet the definition of torture. The approved techniques were necessary, and did in fact save American lives.
We really should give credit to the other Democrats that received briefings by the CIA on interrogation techniques too....
They are just a responsible for saving US lives as Cheney and Bush...
Nancy Pelosi
Bob Graham
Shelby
Rockefeller
Harry Reid
John Murtha
Evan Bayh
Barbara Mikulski
Russ Feingold
Carl Levin
Dianne Feinstein
Bill Nelson'
Sheldon Whitehouse
Jerrod Nadler
Bobby Scott
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
There's a definition in the dictionary and the UN has one- we violated neither.
Pelosi was briefed about them and had the opportunity to say yes or no. even if she said nothing it is the same as saying yes.
signalmankenneth
Verified User
Yeah Cheney is a tough guy???
Cheney got deferments from military service while Clinton openly was a draft dodger......one guy is ridiculed and the other is a left wing hero....
Thats quite ironic.....and quite hypocritical of those that excuse Clinton for evading the draft and not serving when called.....
And just FYI....a little trivia...
Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden received five student draft deferments during the Vietnam War, the same number of deferments received by Vice President Dick Cheney, and later was disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager.
According to the documents, Biden, 65, received several deferments while he was an undergraduate at the University of Delaware and later as a law student at Syracuse University.
Thats quite ironic.....and quite hypocritical of those that excuse Clinton for evading the draft and not serving when called.....
And just FYI....a little trivia...
Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden received five student draft deferments during the Vietnam War, the same number of deferments received by Vice President Dick Cheney, and later was disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager.
According to the documents, Biden, 65, received several deferments while he was an undergraduate at the University of Delaware and later as a law student at Syracuse University.
TuTu Monroe
A Realist
You bet we should give them credit, the hypocritical liars.
We really should give credit to the other Democrats that received briefings by the CIA on interrogation techniques too....
They are just a responsible for saving US lives as Cheney and Bush...
Nancy Pelosi
Bob Graham
Shelby
Rockefeller
Harry Reid
John Murtha
Evan Bayh
Barbara Mikulski
Russ Feingold
Carl Levin
Dianne Feinstein
Bill Nelson'
Sheldon Whitehouse
Jerrod Nadler
Bobby Scott[/quote]
We really should give credit to the other Democrats that received briefings by the CIA on interrogation techniques too....
They are just a responsible for saving US lives as Cheney and Bush...
Nancy Pelosi
Bob Graham
Shelby
Rockefeller
Harry Reid
John Murtha
Evan Bayh
Barbara Mikulski
Russ Feingold
Carl Levin
Dianne Feinstein
Bill Nelson'
Sheldon Whitehouse
Jerrod Nadler
Bobby Scott[/quote]
signalmankenneth
Verified User
The difference between Cheney and Clinton is, Cheney is a chickenhawk!
Chickenhawk (also chicken hawk and chicken-hawk) is a political epithet used in the United States to criticize a politician, bureaucrat, or commentator who strongly supports a war or other military action, yet who actively avoided military service when of draft age.
The term is meant to indicate that the person in question is cowardly or hypocritical for personally avoiding combat in the past while advocating that others go to war in the present. Generally, the implication is that "chickenhawks" lack the experience, judgment, or moral standing to make decisions about going to war.
The term was first applied to vocal supporters of military action who were perceived to have used family connections or college deferments to avoid serving in previous wars, particularly the Vietnam War. In current usage, the label is used almost exclusively to describe ardent supporters of the Iraq War who have themselves never been in combat; it is seldom if ever used with respect to supporters of the (more broadly supported) war in Afghanistan as such. The label is not usually applied to women (who were historically, in most countries, barred by law from serving in combat). People who use the term have not necessarily been in the military themselves; people labeled "chickenhawks" have sometimes served in the military, but have not seen combat. Although it is possible to have a military career and never be at war, the term is often used in the context of someone who has been in the military in time of war but make efforts to steer clear of combat, such as George W. Bush's military records showing he wrote "do not volunteer" on being requested if he would consider a tour of duty in Vietnam.
http://www.symbolman.com/chickenhawks.html
Jeff
Who gives a damn
He has only just begun!
And lets not forget it was Clinton who knew where Bin Laden was and did nothing about it in his last few days in office, Guess he didn't need a diversion at that time.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
The difference between Cheney and Clinton is, Cheney is a chickenhawk!
Chickenhawk (also chicken hawk and chicken-hawk) is a political epithet used in the United States to criticize a politician, bureaucrat, or commentator who strongly supports a war or other military action, yet who actively avoided military service when of draft age.
The term is meant to indicate that the person in question is cowardly or hypocritical for personally avoiding combat in the past while advocating that others go to war in the present. Generally, the implication is that "chickenhawks" lack the experience, judgment, or moral standing to make decisions about going to war.
The term was first applied to vocal supporters of military action who were perceived to have used family connections or college deferments to avoid serving in previous wars, particularly the Vietnam War. In current usage, the label is used almost exclusively to describe ardent supporters of the Iraq War who have themselves never been in combat; it is seldom if ever used with respect to supporters of the (more broadly supported) war in Afghanistan as such. The label is not usually applied to women (who were historically, in most countries, barred by law from serving in combat). People who use the term have not necessarily been in the military themselves; people labeled "chickenhawks" have sometimes served in the military, but have not seen combat. Although it is possible to have a military career and never be at war, the term is often used in the context of someone who has been in the military in time of war but make efforts to steer clear of combat, such as George W. Bush's military records showing he wrote "do not volunteer" on being requested if he would consider a tour of duty in Vietnam.
http://www.symbolman.com/chickenhawks.html
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