Airstrip One
Completely Effed
Who did that graphic? It should say Air Force on his tag, not Army...
Who agrees with Cheney?
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DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
You appear to be confusing a few poorly trained soldiers who committed crimes at Abu Graib with the highly trained CIA operatives who acted totally within legal boundaries at Gitmo.
TuTu Monroe
A Realist
And let's not forget that Clinton had numerous warnings from 1998 on that we were going to be attacked. Funny how the left don't want to talk about that.
quote=Jeff;440615]He has only just begun!
And lets not forget it was Clinton who knew where Bin Laden was and did nothing about it in his last few days in office, Guess he didn't need a diversion at that time.[/quote]
quote=Jeff;440615]He has only just begun!
And lets not forget it was Clinton who knew where Bin Laden was and did nothing about it in his last few days in office, Guess he didn't need a diversion at that time.[/quote]
I see...so by your own definition, Bill Clinton, who went to war in Bosnia, (Bosnia certainly was no threat to the US)... putting US troops in harms way, and his many Democratic supporters that wholeheartedly approved of the war through never serving themselves...
Biden, Reid, Carl Levin ,John Rockefeller , Ken Salazar, Bernard Sanders , Charles Schumer , Robert Byrd, Robert Casey, Richard Durbin, Russ Feingold, Patrick Leahy , etc. etc. etc...
are all "chickenhawks"...
We might just as well include those Democrats that approved of Clintons air war and missile war against Saddam Hussein as being 'chickenhawks' too...
The same bunch....cowards and chickenhawks....
Thats an interesting take on things, even to the "do not volunteer" thing...I take it that makes you a chickenhawk also....
I won't try to change your opinion on this subject...you're entitled to it...you've worked much too hard at being as asshole and pinhead, and de-programming isn't my thing anyway....
Its pretty disgraceful to include those men that served in the National Guard units of any State in the same catagory as Clinton the draft dodger or even with Cheney and Biden that received legitimate deferments...
I could only hope that someday, Godwilling, some Guardsman overhears you say something like that in a bar, and kicks the livin' shit out of you....you certainly deserve it....
I could only hope that someday, Godwilling, some Guardsman overhears you say something like that in a bar, and kicks the livin' shit out of you....you certainly deserve it....
maineman
Banned
it would seem to me that the 4K+ dead americans whose boots hit the ground in Iraq due to Cheney and Bush's ineptitude makes the Bosnia issue and the Iraq air campaign kind of weak in counterpoint.
And I, by the way, can make that statement safe in the knowledge that I served my nation for a quarter of a century in uniform - unlike your four, so I, most definitely am NOT a chickenhawk.
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apple0154
MEOW
That's the strange thing about the definition of crime. I remember, as a kid, playing "monkey pile". Being naked and insisting one play monkey pile is a crime but waterboarding someone until they become unconscious is not.
Most peculiar.
War is war Meathead...putting troops in harms way ...... causalities are irrelevant to this topic....
but then again, its the lefties that think firing a missile from 300 miles away is a cowardly act, or dropping a bomb from 10,000 ft. is cowardly..... while a suicide bomber is a figure of bravery....
Strange ? How about this...you think its perfectly ok to shoot your enemy in the freekin' face and kill him, but its not ok the scare the little bastard and make him uncomfortable and let him live....I find that somewhat strange....
maineman
Banned
I think that firing a missile is smart ...I think that dropping a bomb is smart... I think committing hundreds of thousands of ground troops in a war of CHOICE is fucking insane.
The debate is about "chickenhawks" if you've been following....as in, draft dodgers and war supporters that put troops but didn't serve themselves...
you might include Cheney and Biden....
I hold Clinton to that definition as my example.....
I view active draft dodging and receiving legitimate deferments in different ways....and serving, in whatever capacity as "serving", nonetheless....
be it a cook in the reserves or a fighter pilot in the Guards...
maineman
Banned
are you suggesting that Clinton did not receive a legitimate deferment?
and you served for a few years as a mess cook. congratulations. I served for 25 years and retired as a commander. I'd die holding my breath waiting for you to acknowledge THAT!
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Cheney is just plain pathetic. His office released around 500 people after YEARS of detainment/interrogation....no explanation given. Yet now he screams bloody murder because Obama is going to clean up HIS mess...and the world knows it.
Cheney, a complete POS who lied this country into an invasion/occupation that's killed over 4,000...the majority after we "won".
The PNAC agenda has it's black mark on history...and Cheney doesn't like it. TFB, when the little chickenhawk can explain to America how information that was for his eyes only got into Libby's memo distribution, I'll be listening about who's endangering America
http://www.rense.com/general52/chenn.htm
Cheney, a complete POS who lied this country into an invasion/occupation that's killed over 4,000...the majority after we "won".
The PNAC agenda has it's black mark on history...and Cheney doesn't like it. TFB, when the little chickenhawk can explain to America how information that was for his eyes only got into Libby's memo distribution, I'll be listening about who's endangering America
http://www.rense.com/general52/chenn.htm
a war of CHOICE is fucking insane....like sending US troops and treasure to fight Hitler before the Jap attack?
Sometimes hard "choices" have to be made...( in our case, after consulting and voting on it by Congress"......another thing todays liberal pinheads fail to realize....
You might be old enough to remember some other "lies"......claiming an eminent danger the country and world....
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.
"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is useing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Cheney is just plain pathetic. His office released around 500 people after YEARS of detainment/interrogation....no explanation given. Yet now he screams bloody murder because Obama is going to clean up HIS mess...and the world knows it.
Cheney, a complete POS who lied this country into an invasion/occupation that's killed over 4,000...the majority after we "won".
The PNAC agenda has it's black mark on history...and Cheney doesn't like it. TFB, when the little chickenhawk can explain to America how information that was for his eyes only got into Libby's memo distribution, I'll be listening about who's endangering America
http://www.rense.com/general52/chenn.htm
And your point? How does this alter ANYTHING I've stated about Cheney? And as someone pointed out to you before, military service is NOT a requirement to become President. You neocons should think things through before you wave the flag to get your way.
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Cheney is just plain pathetic. His office released around 500 people after YEARS of detainment/interrogation....no explanation given. Yet now he screams bloody murder because Obama is going to clean up HIS mess...and the world knows it.
Cheney, a complete POS who lied this country into an invasion/occupation that's killed over 4,000...the majority after we "won".
The PNAC agenda has it's black mark on history...and Cheney doesn't like it. TFB, when the little chickenhawk can explain to America how information that was for his eyes only got into Libby's memo distribution, I'll be listening about who's endangering America
http://www.rense.com/general52/chenn.htm
And your point? How does this alter ANYTHING I've stated about Cheney? And as someone pointed out to you before, military service is NOT a requirement to become President. You neocons should think things through before you wave the flag to get your way.
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are you suggesting that Clinton did not receive a legitimate deferment?
and you served for a few years as a mess cook. congratulations. I served for 25 years and retired as a commander. I'd die holding my breath waiting for you to acknowledge THAT!
Clinton got no deferment....but was able to get his Army induction notice canceled in the summer of 1969 after a lobbying effort directed at the Republican head of the state draft agency." Arrangements were made for Clinton to meet with Col. Williard A. Hawkins who "was the only person in Arkansas with authority to rescind a draft notice.
Clinton used the ROTC program to "kill the draft notice, to avoid reporting on the July 28 induction date, which had already been postponed. And he did that by promising to serve his country in the ROTC, number one, to enroll in the law school that fall ... and he never enrolled."
Clinton is a draft dodger....