Who Called Them "Assault Weapons"?

[Into the Night]

Kinetic energy is 1/2 x mass x velocity squared. So with the same amount of energy, a smaller bullet goes much faster, but has the same energy. You add in less weight that means the 9mm has less of an arc. That is why it was invented. A good shooter can compensate for the arc, but an average shooter will do better with the 9mm.

You obviously don't understand ballistics.

There are double stacked 45's, but double stacked clips were invented for the 9mm, and work best for the 9mm.

9mm pistols don't use clips.

In a real life situation, rate of fire is often important. For instance, two thirds of NYPD shots fired at someone two yards or less away missed completely. No one could miss a paper target two yards away, but a real life human, trying to stay alive, is just a harder shot. If you are going to miss two thirds or more of the time, you better be shooting a lot of bullets.

Argument from randU fallacy. You are just making up numbers again.

What police around here are doing is carrying pistols, usually 9mm Glocks, on their person, and keeping assault weapons in their car. If they encounter someone with body armor, they have to return to their car to get their rifle.

There is no such thing as an 'assault rifle'.

 

[Into the Night]

I am beginning to think you know nothing about bullets and ballistics. Is all of this information really new to you? This should be old information to a real gun expert.

Inversion fallacy. RB60 knows a hell of lot more about guns than YOU do.

 

[Into the Night]

RB, I am sure you are a greater expert on the use of meth than I hopefully will ever be, but I still feel safe in telling you that it is not good for you.

....annnd you return to the usual insults.

 

[Into the Night]

You cannot. The 2nd was absolutely not about allowing every man and woman a right to any weapon they choose.

YES IT IS.

It was about a regulated militia to protect the state.

It is also about that.

We had no standing army then. If we got attacked by the Brits again, we were relying on citizen soldiers. You can see how well that worked out when the Brits burned down the Whitehouse in the war of 1812. Then we went to a standing army. That eliminated the need for people to have weapons.

NO IT DOESN"T.

We would all be better off if every weapon was confiscated nd only those with real and serious reasons could have them. And no citizen should have military weapons.

Unconstitutional.

 

[Into the Night]

Yep, the freedom to mow down people in a military fashion was what the founders wanted. They were intelligent people. They would not have allowed the people to live in fear.

You are the only one living in fear. You have a bad case of hoplophobia. I don't live in fear. I have a gun.

 

[Into the Night]

So you know what the founder thought. I know as well as you, therefore my contention that the founders would not sanction this carnage has a great base. I do not believe the founders would accept having active shooter drills in kids' schools. I do not think they would want mass shootings almost every day. You presume to speak for the founders when you cannot defend yourself in any respect. We live like this due to gun manufacturers, not patriots.
Gee dad, why do we have active shooter drills at school? Why would someone I don't know want to gun down me and the other kids? No reason? He can buy an assault weapon because he wanted it. He decided to do that and it is his right. You as a citizen have none.

It is YOU discarding the writings of the founders. It is YOU discarding the Constitution of the United States. It is YOU discarding the constitutions of every State.

 

[Into the Night]

So was every gun owning (now a) civilian. Some owned cannons.

Some still do. Some own tanks, too...and bazookas...and make bombs. All legal.

 

[Nordberg]

It is YOU discarding the writings of the founders. It is YOU discarding the Constitution of the United States. It is YOU discarding the constitutions of every State.

I provided you with the Supreme Courts' chief Justice's view in the case and you ignored them. The case was decided on money. We killed millions for gun manufacturers' profits. You have no clue about the constitution.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I provided you with the Supreme Courts' chief Justice's view in the case and you ignored them. The case was decided on money. We killed millions for gun manufacturers' profits. You have no clue about the constitution.

Again, since you appear to be handicapped with low intelligence, Burgers statement comes over 150 years AFTER the writings of the founders CLEARLY show an individual right, OUTSIDE of militia membership. YOU needing to classify the numerous quotes i've posted as 'out of context' is a clear indication that you KNOW you're wrong...........just pushing a lie to advocate your desires of unconstitutional edicts.

 

[Nordberg]

Again, since you appear to be handicapped with low intelligence, Burgers statement comes over 150 years AFTER the writings of the founders CLEARLY show an individual right, OUTSIDE of militia membership. YOU needing to classify the numerous quotes i've posted as 'out of context' is a clear indication that you KNOW you're wrong...........just pushing a lie to advocate your desires of unconstitutional edicts.

Gun lovers grasp at straws. Burger was telling the truth. We have mass shootings and carnage since the court made the wrong decision. We could have stopped it. He was correct. it is all about gun manufacturers' profits, Deaths do not matter to them. They do not matter to you either. He explained what the 2nd meant. I guess that is above your level of understanding.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Gun lovers grasp at straws. Burger was telling the truth.

this is only your opinion and that of others who are afraid of guns and freedom. I find it interesting that, up until Burgers BS announcement, that there were several federal and state court cases opining that the 2nd Amendment protects an individual right...........and the SCOTUS NEVER overturned those decisions.

We have mass shootings and carnage since the court made the wrong decision.

the court has made many wrong decisions in the past and i'm sure they will in the future. It's the drawback to people not bothering to read their own Constitution, preferring instead to have government read it for them. Again, many courts in the past have stated that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right and it's never been overturned.

We could have stopped it.

then you should have picked up a gun and helped protect your society and fellow citizens

He was correct. it is all about gun manufacturers' profits, Deaths do not matter to them. They do not matter to you either. He explained what the 2nd meant. I guess that is above your level of understanding.

He is wrong. You are wrong. on all counts..............case closed.

 

[Nordberg]

this is only your opinion and that of others who are afraid of guns and freedom. I find it interesting that, up until Burgers BS announcement, that there were several federal and state court cases opining that the 2nd Amendment protects an individual right...........and the SCOTUS NEVER overturned those decisions.


the court has made many wrong decisions in the past and i'm sure they will in the future. It's the drawback to people not bothering to read their own Constitution, preferring instead to have government read it for them. Again, many courts in the past have stated that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right and it's never been overturned.


then you should have picked up a gun and helped protect your society and fellow citizens


He is wrong. You are wrong. on all counts..............case closed.

You do not understand the constitution. The 2nd says a well-regulated militia. That is not what guns in every home and crazy person's hands means. We had no standing army or military training after the revolution. If the Brits returned, we would use citizen soldiers. They came and burned down the Whitehouse. Now we have one of the largest standing armies in the world. We are not dependent on citizen soldiers. The gun manufacturers lied and some supreme bought it. Now America Is a shooting gallery. You believe what gun lobbyists said because you want to.
Case double closed.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

You do not understand the constitution. The 2nd says a well-regulated militia.

Disagreed. I understand that the Constitution limits government, it does not provide it with rights. The 2nd also states that it's the right of the people, not the right of a militia.

We had no standing army or military training after the revolution. If the Brits returned, we would use citizen soldiers. They came and burned down the Whitehouse. Now we have one of the largest standing armies in the world. We are not dependent on citizen soldiers. The gun manufacturers lied and some supreme bought it. Now America Is a shooting gallery. You believe what gun lobbyists said because you want to.
Case double closed.

The founders statements make it very clear that they distrusted government AND standing armies, always wanting to keep them in check by a overwhelming force of armed citizens NOT related to government regulation. I believe the Constitution, YOU believe in what the anti gun lobbyists want you to.

 

[Concart]

Isn't a baseball bat an assault weapon?

I just checked the Louisville Slugger website. They don't call their product an assault weapon. Are you planning on storming a castle? You should grab a battering ram and some catapults while you're at it. Be sure to pay the archers, their aim tends to stray if they feel undercompensated.

 

[Into the Night]

I provided you with the Supreme Courts' chief Justice's view in the case and you ignored them. The case was decided on money. We killed millions for gun manufacturers' profits. You have no clue about the constitution.

The Supreme Court has no authority to change the Constitution. See Article III.
You are again ignoring the Constitution you never read.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Once again I expose the hypocrisy of the gun nuts for their failure using semantics in the discussion of banning assault rifles more important than the discussion itself.

It's really quite simple.
All firearms that don't have fine walnut, hand-checkered stocks and exquisite bluing should be deemed military shit and prescribed from private ownership.
The good stuff like Weatherby rifles and Beretta over/unders should be unregulated.
Who could possibly argue against this proposal?

 

[Into the Night]

Gun lovers grasp at straws.

You are describing yourself again.

Burger was telling the truth.

You are grasping at a straw. Burger's opinion changes nothing.

We have mass shootings and carnage since the court made the wrong decision.

You are grasping at a straw. The Supreme Court does not have authority to change the Constitution.

We could have stopped it.

You are grasping at a straw. You are making a void argument fallacy.

He was correct.

You are grasping at a straw. Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism). You are ignoring the Constitution again.

it is all about gun manufacturers' profits,

You are grasping at a straw. Irrelevance fallacy.

Deaths do not matter to them.

You are grasping at a straw. You are assuming that all gun owners are indiscriminately shooting people. Bigotry.

They do not matter to you either.

You are grasping at a straw. You are assuming that someone is indiscriminately shooting people without evidence.

He explained what the 2nd meant.

You are grasping at a straw. Burger does not get to interpret or change the Constitution. He has no authority to. See Article III.

I guess that is above your level of understanding.

You are grasping at a straw. You are using a void argument as a conclusion.

 

[Into the Night]

You do not understand the constitution. The 2nd says a well-regulated militia. That is not what guns in every home and crazy person's hands means. We had no standing army or military training after the revolution. If the Brits returned, we would use citizen soldiers. They came and burned down the Whitehouse. Now we have one of the largest standing armies in the world. We are not dependent on citizen soldiers. The gun manufacturers lied and some supreme bought it. Now America Is a shooting gallery. You believe what gun lobbyists said because you want to.
Case double closed.

Redefinition fallacy. Conflation of context. A militia is not a requisite to be people or their right to keep and bear arms.

 

[Into the Night]

Disagreed. I understand that the Constitution limits government, it does not provide it with rights. The 2nd also states that it's the right of the people, not the right of a militia.

The founders statements make it very clear that they distrusted government AND standing armies, always wanting to keep them in check by a overwhelming force of armed citizens NOT related to government regulation. I believe the Constitution, YOU believe in what the anti gun lobbyists want you to.

A State has the same inherent right of self defense that you do.

 

[Into the Night]

It's really quite simple.
All firearms that don't have fine walnut, hand-checkered stocks and exquisite bluing should be deemed military shit and prescribed from private ownership.
The good stuff like Weatherby rifles and Beretta over/unders should be unregulated.
Who could possibly argue against this proposal?

The founders. The Constitution of the United States. The constitutions of the various States. Me. Gun owners. Gun manufacturers.