Who had the worse campaign- hrc or da ho?

First explain what you mean by "good value".

If I have to explain that to you then either: 1) you aren't an American and you are just here to sow division OR 2) you are so astoundingly mentally impaired that your question actually makes sense to you.

Either way I'm not sure it's worth responding to. I mean do you need me to explain why breathing is good for you as well?

When you're done with that tell us exactly how much you're willing to pay for "Being able to live in the richest country on earth...". Half the people in America don't even pay federal income taxes.

And that bothers you? Again, because I'm an adult and I value my lifestyle and I've actually done reasonably well (not great, just good) I've got a good income. Many of my fellow Americans DON'T. I wouldn't ask them to pay more. But I can afford to.

So don't worry, I don't want to increase YOUR taxes because you have a tough time making ends meet on your income. That's what being in a society is all about. Those of us who can help and do the heavy lifting help and do the heavy lifting for those, like yourself, who can't.

One day maybe the tables will turn! Maybe one day YOU'LL be the person with a comfortable life and you can pay it forward to those less fortunate.

That sounds like a good idea to me. But I understand that many Republicans can only think about what they can get for THEMSELVES.
 
I, too, got my degrees in the hard sciences. But I also got to spend some time working with lawyers on patents and, trust me, law is hardly the "simplest liberal arts degree".



I'm OK with higher taxes. I am one of those people who believes in paying for a good value. Being able to live in the richest country on earth is a real value for me so I'm willing to pay for it. I understand a lot of Republicans think there's a free lunch. There isn't.



Form your mouth to God's ears. Regulations are fine. Sure they need to be rational, but most of the regulations you guys want eliminated were put in place because people EXACTLY LIKE YOU marched and fought for them decades ago when you were still shitting your diapers.



Usually the deficit INCREASES under Republicans.



How do you figure? The Dem proposals all include the rich having to pay MORE. YOUR guy is the one trying to help the wealthy with this republican delusion of "Trickle down".



So the fact that Trump openly (and in earshot of MANY witnesses) expressed admiration of Hitler we are not allowed to invoke Hitler in the discussion?

Do you guys think Hitler was a good guy? It's so hard to tell from your rhetoric. It kinda feels like the answer is "yes" for you.



Except in the Great Depression.
Oh yeah and in ending the excesses of the Gilded Age in the early 20th Century.
And the greatly reduced deficit under Clinton which Bush then exploded again


What HASN'T happened is:

1. Leftists gonna take my precious guuuuuuunz
2. Leftists gonna make my baby gaaaaaay
3. Leftists gonna cut my boy's penis off after 4th Period Geography class
4. Leftists gonna set up a Marxist utopia!
Tariffs are the most effective form of trickle down.

tariffs make trickle down work.

globalism is trickle sideways, which all us over 50 people know is an issue.
 
Tariffs are the most effective form of trickle down.

tariffs make trickle down work.

globalism is trickle sideways, which all us over 50 people know is an issue.

Tariffs have their place. Just not as the central economic policy.

I'm still curious where you think the money paid to tariffs comes from.

Also: you have yet to answer any of the questions about actual implementation, but I understand that may be due to your lack of experience with corporations and how money works in corporations.
 
If I have to explain that to you then either: 1) you aren't an American and you are just here to sow division OR 2) you are so astoundingly mentally impaired that your question actually makes sense to you.

Either way I'm not sure it's worth responding to. I mean do you need me to explain why breathing is good for you as well?



And that bothers you? Again, because I'm an adult and I value my lifestyle and I've actually done reasonably well (not great, just good) I've got a good income. Many of my fellow Americans DON'T. I wouldn't ask them to pay more. But I can afford to.

So don't worry, I don't want to increase YOUR taxes because you have a tough time making ends meet on your income. That's what being in a society is all about. Those of us who can help and do the heavy lifting help and do the heavy lifting for those, like yourself, who can't.

One day maybe the tables will turn! Maybe one day YOU'LL be the person with a comfortable life and you can pay it forward to those less fortunate.

That sounds like a good idea to me. But I understand that many Republicans can only think about what they can get for THEMSELVES.
'good value' is a vague thing, dummy.

this is the logical fallacy known as the glittering generality.

so Chinese. happy good value dragon buffet.
 
Tariffs have their place. Just not as the central economic policy.

I'm still curious where you think the money paid to tariffs comes from.

Also: you have yet to answer any of the questions about actual implementation, but I understand that may be due to your lack of experience with corporations and how money works in corporations.
right now it needs to be central, from having been neglected for so long.

consumers pay it, but only on imports, thus incentivizing domestic production.

you're very stupid and incapable of rudimentary reasoning processes of enlightenment.
 
right now it needs to be central, from having been neglected for so long.

consumers pay it, but only on imports, thus incentivizing domestic production.

you're very stupid and incapable of rudimentary reasoning processes of enlightenment.

Well, at least I know how corporations actually function. You are free to rant and scream demanding the government give you a pet unicorn, but I"m the one who sees why that isn't likely for you anytime soon.

You seem overly idealist and under-educated on how the real world works. I honor your idealism but without a functioning knowledge of how corporations and capitalism works you are just shouting into the void.
 
Well, at least I know how corporations actually function. You are free to rant and scream demanding the government give you a pet unicorn, but I"m the one who sees why that isn't likely for you anytime soon.

You seem overly idealist and under-educated on how the real world works. I honor your idealism but without a functioning knowledge of how corporations and capitalism works you are just shouting into the void.
tariffs are commonplace in international trade.

quit acting like a fucking idiot.

you seem to not get that your level of globalist zealotry is just Chinese mercantilism in disguise.

you're a de facto traitor.

:truestory:

get smarter dumbass, you;re a danger to yourself and others.

Trump 2024!
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tariffs are commonplace in international trade.

I never said they weren't? Why be dishonest about my post?

quit acting like a fucking idiot.

Because I'm raising questions you can't answer? Welcome to the real world of industry. You have never once indicated how ANY of this will work in the frame of real world industry.

you're a de facto traitor.

Occasionally forget that people come on here not to debate but to scream the same inanities over and over again.

get smarter dumbass, you;re a danger to yourself and others.

Just answer any of the questions I've asked. The fact that you won't and can't is all I need to know that you are just here to sow division among American voters.

Why do you people feel the need to interject yourselves into our society and our politics? Is it so you can destabilize America?

 
I never said they weren't? Why be dishonest about my post?



Because I'm raising questions you can't answer? Welcome to the real world of industry. You have never once indicated how ANY of this will work in the frame of real world industry.



Occasionally forget that people come on here not to debate but to scream the same inanities over and over again.



Just answer any of the questions I've asked. The fact that you won't and can't is all I need to know that you are just here to sow division among American voters.

Why do you people feel the need to interject yourselves into our society and our politics? Is it so you can destabilize America?
you have not effectively disputed the wisdom of tariffs.

your questions are not rebuttals and are stupid.

you have lost the debate.
 
you have not effectively disputed the wisdom of tariffs.

I have. You just don't understand business sufficient to respond. It is manifestly obvious you have no knowledge whatsoever about how business is run.

your questions are not rebuttals and are stupid.

Only to someone who has never sat in a business meeting.

you have lost the debate.

As you wish. Keep screaming for unicorns. I'm sure someone will make you one ASAP.
 
If I have to explain that to you then either: 1) you aren't an American and you are just here to sow division OR 2) you are so astoundingly mentally impaired that your question actually makes sense to you.

Either way I'm not sure it's worth responding to. I mean do you need me to explain why breathing is good for you as well?



And that bothers you? Again, because I'm an adult and I value my lifestyle and I've actually done reasonably well (not great, just good) I've got a good income. Many of my fellow Americans DON'T. I wouldn't ask them to pay more. But I can afford to.

So don't worry, I don't want to increase YOUR taxes because you have a tough time making ends meet on your income. That's what being in a society is all about. Those of us who can help and do the heavy lifting help and do the heavy lifting for those, like yourself, who can't.

One day maybe the tables will turn! Maybe one day YOU'LL be the person with a comfortable life and you can pay it forward to those less fortunate.

That sounds like a good idea to me. But I understand that many Republicans can only think about what they can get for THEMSELVES.
So to confirm you just talk through your ass. See, that kind of honesty I can respect.
 
I have. You just don't understand business sufficient to respond. It is manifestly obvious you have no knowledge whatsoever about how business is run.



Only to someone who has never sat in a business meeting.



As you wish. Keep screaming for unicorns. I'm sure someone will make you one ASAP.
NO you haven't.

you have not explained how its smart to keep sending all the jobs and capacities away.

It is well documented how tariffs works, and they're just what we need.
 
I, too, got my degrees in the hard sciences. But I also got to spend some time working with lawyers on patents and, trust me, law is hardly the "simplest liberal arts degree".

It's a simple liberal arts degree. One proof of that is most law students take political science or history as their undergraduate program. Good grades are everything in getting into a law school. Knowing actual 'stuff' isn't required.

Law, for the most part, is paperwork and filling it out correctly. A well-trained secretary or clerk can do that.

I'm OK with higher taxes. I am one of those people who believes in paying for a good value. Being able to live in the richest country on earth is a real value for me so I'm willing to pay for it. I understand a lot of Republicans think there's a free lunch. There isn't.

You're a rarity then. The vast majority of people would not want their taxes raised. I also don't think I'm getting a good value for the money spent in many cases. Sure, there are things the government does that need doing, but a lot of what government does is useless and stupid. I don't think there's a "free lunch." Instead, I think government, like any other entity should justify what it does by showing it is doing it without incurring undue loss.

As an example of that, light rail systems, in particular, and mass transit, are usually run with horrible inefficiency by government. Taxpayers shouldn't tolerate that, but government usually bulldozes objections. Here in Phoenix, it's been proven that it'd be cheaper to give each daily rider of the light rail system a new Prius than run the light rail system.
I also object to higher government using bribery--tax money--to fund something they want in part done, or not done, by more local portions of government. That usually goes badly.
Form your mouth to God's ears. Regulations are fine. Sure they need to be rational, but most of the regulations you guys want eliminated were put in place because people EXACTLY LIKE YOU marched and fought for them decades ago when you were still shitting your diapers.

No, most regulations were put in place because of a litigious society--we have far too many lawyers around--or because government wants to act paternally, and finally because bureaucrats have to justify their existence.

On that last, let me provide this analogous example: The March of Dimes, a non-profit dedicated to eradicating polio, grew into a large corporate bureaucracy. Well, about twenty years ago or so, polio was eradicated leaving the March of Dimes no further purpose. Did they just fire everyone and have a celebratory party, going out of business? Hell no! They cast around and found new things to be dedicated to eradicating! It's all explained in Parkinson's Law. Bureaucrats will never find a place to rest and stop expanding the bureaucracy.

Usually the deficit INCREASES under Republicans.

The deficit increased under virtually every administration since the 1940's.
How do you figure? The Dem proposals all include the rich having to pay MORE. YOUR guy is the one trying to help the wealthy with this republican delusion of "Trickle down".

The Democrat proposals are idiocy. France and the UK have both recently tried EXACTLY that. The rich moved. They left. They went somewhere they didn't have to pay what they saw as unfair taxes. Both nations suffered a net LOSS in tax revenues. The wealthy have choices, and if you think you can ass rape them out of their wealth at anything short of gunpoint, you are fool.




Look at New York and California. They're already doing exactly what you propose. The rich are leaving. They won't pay.




The rich didn't get to be rich by being stupid. They won't put up with what they see as "unfair" tax rates. The Cackler's plan is a fool's errand.
So the fact that Trump openly (and in earshot of MANY witnesses) expressed admiration of Hitler we are not allowed to invoke Hitler in the discussion?

Until you read articles by others, like John Kelly's staff, that say it never happened. I'm not buying it after the letter by the "Top intelligence officials" saying Hunter's laptop was disinformation. Kelly is a lying sack of shit in my opinion. He said it two weeks before the election because his candidate is floundering like a fish out of water.
Do you guys think Hitler was a good guy? It's so hard to tell from your rhetoric. It kinda feels like the answer is "yes" for you.

Hitler was evil. That doesn't mean everything the guy did was evil. It isn't a binary thing, even if you want it to be.
Except in the Great Depression.
Oh yeah and in ending the excesses of the Gilded Age in the early 20th Century.
And the greatly reduced deficit under Clinton which Bush then exploded again

Actually, FDR's lurch to the Left with the New Deal prolonged the Great Depression, and even made it worse.



What HASN'T happened is:

1. Leftists gonna take my precious guuuuuuunz

Not for want of trying...
2. Leftists gonna make my baby gaaaaaay

WTF?
3. Leftists gonna cut my boy's penis off after 4th Period Geography class

WTF?
4. Leftists gonna set up a Marxist utopia!
Yes, they are going to try and do that, at least some of them.
 
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It's a simple liberal arts degree. One proof of that is most law students take political science or history as their undergraduate program.

This is pretty much how law degrees have always worked. In some areas of the law (like intellectual property) one actually HAS to have a degree in a technical field like engineering or chemistry to become a patent attorney. It's part of the registration process.

And it is NOT a "simple" degree.

Good grades are everything in getting into a law school. Knowing actual 'stuff' isn't required.

Again, this is 100% wrong. As noted above you can't be a patent attorney without either a degree in the sciences or engineering or equivalent classwork and experience.

Law, for the most part, is paperwork and filling it out correctly. A well-trained secretary or clerk can do that.

No. Again you are wrong.


You're a rarity then. The vast majority of people would not want their taxes raised. I also don't think I'm getting a good value for the money spent in many cases. Sure, there are things the government does that need doing, but a lot of what government does is useless and stupid. I don't think there's a "free lunch." Instead, I think government, like any other entity should justify what it does by showing it is doing it without incurring undue loss.

I'm not for rampant crazy spending on non-issues. For instance since studies show there's almost no actual voter ID fraud I see no reason to spend millions upon millions of dollars to "fix" a non-existent problem.

As an example of that, light rail systems, in particular, and mass transit, are usually run with horrible inefficiency by government.

The US doesn't know how to run a consumer rail. Europe does an incredible job of it. On my many trips to Europe I've found using the trains INFINITELY easier than just renting a car. It's not even close.

As for public transportation: America has it as an afterthought in most places.

Taxpayers shouldn't tolerate that, but government usually bulldozes objections. Here in Phoenix, it's been proven that it'd be cheaper to give each daily rider of the light rail system a new Prius than run the light rail system.

That doesn't mean it's not possible to effectively run a rail system. It just means that the way we do it currently is a mess. That doesn't say to me "eliminate rail", it says "do better".

I also object to higher government using bribery--tax money--to fund something they want in part done, or not done, by more local portions of government. That usually goes badly.

Yet every single election cycle you and your fellow state citizens vote for the person who will be working hardest to bring that federal money into your state.

No, most regulations were put in place because of a litigious society

Regulations CAN be overdone. Not gonna disagree with that. But regulations are usually there to address something that a CITIZEN or CITIZENS demanded.


The deficit increased under virtually every administration since the 1940's.

It tends to go up under Republicans more than Democrats.

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The Democrat proposals are idiocy. France and the UK have both recently tried EXACTLY that. The rich moved.

The rich will never leave the US. It's too good here. Even with taxes more in line with what we had in the 1950's on them.

This is why the CEO of a company WILL move jobs to China but will NEVER THEMSELVES move to China.

They left. They went somewhere they didn't have to pay what they saw as unfair taxes.

The 1950's and 1960's saw the greatest economic expansion and the development of the middle class which provided you and me a near perfect level of comfort to grow up in. Top marginal tax rates were very high for the wealthy.

Over the last 40 years as taxes have been cut on the top earners, the pay rate for the middle income earners has stagnated...all while corporations have blossomed to unheard of levels of profit.

If the former is "bad" and the latter is "good" then I'm not entirely certain you and I share a common definition of "good"

The rich didn't get to be rich by being stupid.

It literally happens every single day of every single year. To deny that is to deny that the sun rises in the east.

They won't put up with what they see as "unfair" tax rates. The Cackler's plan is a fool's errand.

A fool's errand that is only a fraction of what we had in the 1950's.

I guess America has been horrible for you guys for a very long time now. Why do you stay here?

Until you read articles by others, like John Kelly's staff, that say it never happened. I'm not buying it after the letter by the "Top intelligence officials" saying Hunter's laptop was disinformation. Kelly is a lying sack of shit in my opinion.

As you wish.

Hitler was evil. That doesn't mean everything the guy did was evil. It isn't a binary thing, even if you want it to be.

Technically true. Hitler loved dogs apparently. So it's not like he was fractally evil. But by the same token I don't know if you remember how well Germany fared in the middle 1940's. It would worth hitting up a history book.

Not for want of trying...


WTF?


WTF?

Yes, they are going to try and do that, at least some of them.

Yeah, that's the stuff.
 
Do you sheet wearers get a chubby when
you post like that?
Just agreeing with tigerred59.
 
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