Who is the Greater Evil? President Bush or Hugo Chavez

blackascoal said:
You are correct of course about the elections .. and I don't agree with every move Chavez makes either, but there is little question that he has improved the lives of a great many Venezuelans and he has put forth the agenda of nationailzed resources that benefit the whole of Venezuelans, not just the pockets of the rich or himself.
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Hence the reality of minimal food and lines for food reported just a short while ago. I remember that you somehow found an article of people who were in the US looking for food as well to "discount" the reality of socialism and the market.
 
If hugoland had no oil we would pay it about as much attention as some country in the middle of Africa with no oil.
 
Gonzo, your claims to adequacy are grossly overrated. You tried to use the "fact" that most of the Venezuelans you know do not like Chavez as an argument against the FACT that Chavez is very popular in his country.

My response you your statement was spot on. You're just too ignorant to understand basic logical fallacies, and hence, continue to use them on a daily basis. Go educate yourself, stumblewits.
 
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Yeah, you can tell this because absolutely nobody who speaks against him is ever arrested or harmed. That clearly is a bootjacking dictatorship...]

The Patriot Act gave the government the power to arrest and "disappear' ANYONE. How do you know this has not happened? It is not as if Bush and Co are known for being champions of civil rights.
 
Agnosticus_Caesar said:
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Yeah, you can tell this because absolutely nobody who speaks against him is ever arrested or harmed. That clearly is a bootjacking dictatorship...]

The Patriot Act gave the government the power to arrest and "disappear' ANYONE. How do you know this has not happened? It is not as if Bush and Co are known for being champions of civil rights.
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You're still here, they haven't come knocking on your door or used your ip to 'disappear you.'
 
Damocles said:
Hence the reality of minimal food and lines for food reported just a short while ago. I remember that you somehow found an article of people who were in the US looking for food as well to "discount" the reality of socialism and the market.
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Question: Were there food shortages in Venezuela before Chavez came to power?

If you're criticizing the Chavez government surely you know the answer to that question.

Question: Is ever-increasing poverty in the US the reality of capitalism?

If you suggest that food shortages are indicative of the realty of socialism, then surely poverty must be the reality of capitalism.

The REALITY is that neither is the face of either ideology.

And I don't "somehow" find articles, facts, and documentation to support my positions .. they are everywhere to be found, just off-limits to the typical American brain.
 
By the way, Gonzo. I'm not the one starting threads complaining about a comment someone made in another thread. You feel the need to start this thread, so that my comment cannot be seen IN CONTEXT, rather than actually defend your ridiculous statement in the original thread.

You are not only dishonest, you're a fucking crybaby.
 
Agnosticus_Caesar said:
I'm not a threat to anyone.
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Perhaps I misunderstood, won't be the first time.

The Patriot Act gave the government the power to arrest and "disappear' ANYONE. How do you know this has not happened? It is not as if Bush and Co are known for being champions of civil rights.
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Well which 'anyone'? Then again this is set up to proving a negative, Who do 'you know this has not happened?'

I was not excluding more that threats, as you didn't seem to be narrowing that definition. Perhaps you meant to imply threats because of the Patriot Act?
 
Agnosticus_Caesar said:
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Yeah, you can tell this because absolutely nobody who speaks against him is ever arrested or harmed. That clearly is a bootjacking dictatorship...]

The Patriot Act gave the government the power to arrest and "disappear' ANYONE. How do you know this has not happened? It is not as if Bush and Co are known for being champions of civil rights.
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Because in the US, we know the slightest happening in GITMO up to and including a guard accidentally when peeing against a wall outside, peeing on a Koran, we hear constantly everything that may be done that can possibly negatively effect the current administration. It is inconceivable that such action was taken without our knowledge and against all evidence that I see daily that the press would gladly report such things.

That you, yourself have no evidence whatsoever that it has been done, while living in the reality of the press who reports anything that could be negative against any D or R, pretty much gives me enough to realize that it isn't happening. Plus, there are people on p.com/fp.com/jpp.com that have said things that could and would have gotten them in trouble if such were the case, none have ever gone missing.

The reality is you have no supporting evidence for your hypothesis, as much supporting evidence as any Christian has to support God, and yet continue to cast aspersions against all evidence to the contrary. This is weak. And is predicated on what you wish, rather than what is in evidence.
 
Cypress said:
I was simply stating that I have never met a Venezuelan that has continued to support Chavez past his initial election.


Chavez has been in three nation-wide electoral referendums, each time being elected, or re-elected by huge margins. Around 60%, beating the opposition by 20% or more. Three elections of that magnitude in a US presidential election, would be considered massive landslides.

This is just a fact. I'm not going to claim Chavez is some perfect, unflawed president. I'm sure he has plenty of flaws.
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According to those I have talked to, the votes against Chavez go in the trash can....or do you believe elections are always fair?
 
Agnosticus_Caesar said:
By the way, Gonzo. I'm not the one starting threads complaining about a comment someone made in another thread. You feel the need to start this thread, so that my comment cannot be seen IN CONTEXT, rather than actually defend your ridiculous statement in the original thread.

You are not only dishonest, you're a fucking crybaby.
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
 
gonzojournals said:
According to those I have talked to, the votes against Chavez go in the trash can....or do you believe elections are always fair?
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Elections in Venezuela are internationally monitored and have much more integrity than elections here in America, particularly since 2000.

Fact
 
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