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Damocles said:
They weren't socialist, but they weren't even close to an economic conservative. The government segmented and controlled the markets, free markets were a nonsense term under fascism. They were told how much to make, when to make it, and what to sell it for. Like Obamacare...
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MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Who's your Insurance company with Damo?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Who's your Insurance company with Damo?
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Which is a nonsense question, it is "with" itself, however it sells exactly what the government tells it to, to the people it is told to sell it, cannot give options outside that, and the government subsidizes others who also participate.

The reality, the actual fact, the real deal... this is the closest example we have to Mussolini's economic policies in the US.

The economic policies of fascism had controlled segments of the economy, while the companies were privately owned they were controlled by the government. Controlling a segment of the economy, telling them exactly what they must sell, then forcing all people to participate, is fascistic.
 
evince said:
http://generationhistory.blogspot.com/2009/10/were-mussolinis-economic-policies.html



When Mussolini began to make his mark in economics in the mid 1920s, he was luckily blessed. The economy in the early years of Fascism developed positively for many different factors. Laissez-faire policies were introduced which favoured industrialists by letting them take their own courses, paying workers the minimum wage with little government intervention. In addition, a future Socialist revolution had vanished and there was no threat from the PSI, meaning the confidence of the economic elite rose. Another reason why the early economy improved was because trade unions began to weaken and worker organisations began to collapse. There was also a general European economic recovery. Alberto de Stefani was put in charge in 1922, by Mussolini, as an Economics professor. While de Stefani was in charge he was characterised by his Laissez-faire ideas. Taxes on war profits were reduced and the industrialists were pleased. After 1925 de Stefani was dismissed and the one-party state was created. Financer and Industrialist Count Volpi replaced de Stefani and Mussolini stated the new economic structures were accomplished within Italy. However, Confindustria: the Italian Employer’s Federation made sure the industry’s interests were protected. Early economics were very successful for industrialists, but not for the workers. However, these were the early economics of Fascist Italy. Mussolini’s real economic intellect was to be shown in his economic battles.
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Blogs aren't facts.
 
Damocles said:
Which is a nonsense question, it is "with" itself, however it sells exactly what the government tells it to, to the people it is told to sell it, cannot give options outside that, and the government subsidizes others who also participate.

The reality, the actual fact, the real deal... this is the closest example we have to Mussolini's economic policies in the US.

The economic policies of fascism had controlled segments of the economy, while the companies were privately owned they were controlled by the government. Controlling a segment of the economy, telling them exactly what they must sell, then forcing all people to participate, is fascistic.
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Damo you not only don't know what socialism is but you don't know what fascism is either. I don't know where you make this stuff up but is neither.

Socialism is where the State controls the means to production. You may not like the ACA and it's requirements and regulations but they are market based reforms. The only germ of a truth in your comment is that the ACA has expanded Medicare for the most needy. The government may have requirements that you don't approve of or don't like but that's doesn't make it socialism. They don't own and control the insurance companies. That claim is utter nonsense.

Fascism is a radicalized authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government. The policies of your messiah Bush and the neoconservatives you walked in lock step with were far closer to fascism than anything you seen in your life time. To equate the ACA with "Fascism" because it regulates some aspect of the economy is moronic. All governments control or regulate aspects of their economy. You're just conveniently forgetting the other aspects of Fascism because you simply do not agree with or like a certain policy. That's not only simple minded and intellectually dishonest it's divorced from reality.

You're just simply pulling stuff out of your tuckus and calling it what you want out of personal animus.
 
Then under its original definition, it would solely refer to worker control of the means of production, not state control.

Political terms evolve with the times and the area. Liberal in one time and place often means something entirely different in another place. The meanings didn't even have a consistent definition in their original form to plausibly go back to.
 
Saladin said:
Then under its original definition, it would solely refer to worker control of the means of production, not state control.

Political terms evolve with the times and the area. Liberal in one time and place often means something entirely different in another place. The meanings didn't even have a consistent definition in their original form to plausibly go back to.
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Socialism always meant state control of the means of production. The idiotic notion that employees can usurp the rights of owners did not exist until the 19th Century.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Damo you not only don't know what socialism is but you don't know what fascism is either. I don't know where you make this stuff up but is neither.

Socialism is where the State controls the means to production. You may not like the ACA and it's requirements and regulations but they are market based reforms. The only germ of a truth in your comment is that the ACA has expanded Medicare for the most needy. The government may have requirements that you don't approve of or don't like but that's doesn't make it socialism. They don't own and control the insurance companies. That claim is utter nonsense.

Fascism is a radicalized authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government. The policies of your messiah Bush and the neoconservatives you walked in lock step with were far closer to fascism than anything you seen in your life time. To equate the ACA with "Fascism" because it regulates some aspect of the economy is moronic. All governments control or regulate aspects of their economy. You're just conveniently forgetting the other aspects of Fascism because you simply do not agree with or like a certain policy. That's not only simple minded and intellectually dishonest it's divorced from reality.

You're just simply pulling stuff out of your tuckus and calling it what you want out of personal animus.
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You are wrong about what I know about fascism. It is a fact that their economic model, specifically Mussolini's was exactly as I state. The state segmented the economy and controlled the privately owned companies. The economic model of fascism is closest to the ACA than anything else in the US economy.

Every time you say something about what I don't know you consistently are wrong and say something that lowers the IQ of the board. Next time before you start a post with that, stop, think twice. I now know two of your posts that need to be nominated.
 
Damocles said:
You are wrong about what I know about fascism. It is a fact that their economic model, specifically Mussolini's was exactly as I state. The state segmented the economy and controlled the privately owned companies. The economic model of fascism is closest to the ACA than anything else in the US economy.

Every time you say something about what I don't know you consistently are wrong and say something that lowers the IQ of the board. Next time before you start a post with that, stop, think twice. I now know two of your posts that need to be nominated.
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Damo...equating our current economy with Mussolini's Italy is absurd beyond belief in anything but the most superficial and rationalized manner. I mean get real.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Damo...equating our current economy with Mussolini's Italy is absurd beyond belief in anything but the most superficial and rationalized manner. I mean get real.
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Absurd is this straw man argument of yours....

Mott, noting that the ACA is actively similar to fascism's economic model does not equate our economy to fascism. It equates one specific segment of our economy that actually is similar to fascism. You may not like it, but it is. Obama's ACA is fascistic.
 
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