Who is Trump Talking About?

IBDaMann

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This is a question for Team Israel ... and for everybody else who cares.

Trump just issued a threat that if the hostages are not released by the day he is inaugurated, those responsible will be hit harder than anybody has been hit in the long and storied History of the United States of America. RELEASE THE HOSTAGES NOW!"

Who is Trump talking about? Why didn't he specify "Hamas"? Why didn't he say "I'll destroy Gaza"? I know that all of you on Team Israel have insisted that Hamas, and only Hamas, was responsible for the Oct 7th (2023) attack on Israel and taking of hostages, so you are certain that Trump isn't talking about Iran and Al Qassam, right?

You must be certain that Trump intends to unleash "ALL HELL TO PAY" on the remaining civilian noncombatants in Gaza, right?
 
Trump bought into the Swamps "Peace through Strength" so he is ramping up the threats when we need to go in the opposite direction.

This will get us all killed, the American Empire must admit defeat...every day we face the choice all around the world admit defeat or escalate....the neocons who have no reverse gear and dont give a flying fuck what We The People think/want/need always escalate.

Buckle Up.
 
Trump bought into the Swamps "Peace through Strength" so he is ramping up the threats when we need to go in the opposite direction.

This will get us all killed, the American Empire must admit defeat...every day we face the choice all around the world admit defeat or escalate....the neocons who have no reverse gear and dont give a flying fuck what We The People think/want/need always escalate.

Buckle Up.
nope......
 
Perhaps many of you have heard/read in the news that "Hamas" has responded to Trump's threat if the hostages are not released.

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Surprise! ... this is not Hamas. This is Al Qassam saying whatever Iran is telling them to say. Look at the piece of paper from which the military spokesman is reading. The message was written by Qatar, crafted by the Ayatollah's partners. Qatar just happens to be where the hostage negotiations are being held coincidentally, or maybe not so coincidentally.

There is no Hamas in this equation. The IDF already killed them all along with all the other Gazan civilian non-combatants. It's absolutely amazing watching Team Israel being manipulated to this extent by the Israelis.

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So the peace deal was announced ... between Israel and Hamas ... except it appears that it was Al Qassam who is doing all the agreeing and demanding ... and who obeyed the Qatari prince who ordered Al Qassam to accept the deal that was on the table at the moment.

So much political equity rests on calling Iran "Hamas." Stupid.
 
It is not "Team Israel" that has trump saying stupid things. It is trump saying stupid things. It is the trump voters responsible for this idiot becoming president.

Trump just issued a threat that if the hostages are not released by the day he is inaugurated, those responsible will be hit harder than anybody has been hit in the long and storied History of the United States of America. RELEASE THE HOSTAGES NOW!"
All the hostages will not be released in the next week. Maybe we can get a group of the hostages released, build trust and get more released, but that will not happen in a week.

Israel will not abandon their positions to allow the USA to strike Gaza, and nowhere else even begins to make sense.

In other words, trump is just blustering. Stupid blustering makes America look weak.

Who is Trump talking about? Why didn't he specify "Hamas"? Why didn't he say "I'll destroy Gaza"?
There is no answer to those questions that do not include trump being an idiot. Hamas has been as destroyed as possible in air attacks, so he would have to send ground forces in to fight both Hamas and Israel. Not quite sure what the point would be by then.

I know that all of you on Team Israel have insisted that Hamas, and only Hamas, was responsible for the Oct 7th (2023) attack on Israel and taking of hostages, so you are certain that Trump isn't talking about Iran and Al Qassam, right?
Al Qassam is part of Hamas, much like the US Army is part of the US Government. The only difference is Al Qassam has more control over Hamas than the US Army has over the US Government.

I suppose trump could go to war with Iran. Not really sure what that would get us. Nothing good.

You must be certain that Trump intends to unleash "ALL HELL TO PAY" on the remaining civilian noncombatants in Gaza, right?
Do you still think trump can form intent? he says random things, but that does not prove he can form intent.
 
this is not Hamas. This is Al Qassam
You cannot be in Al Qassam without first being in Hamas. So if it is Al Qassam, it must also be Hamas.

Qatar just happens to be where the hostage negotiations are being held coincidentally, or maybe not so coincidentally.
Not a coincidence. Qatar is the place that both Hamas and the USA can be out in the open, which makes it the place where we can negotiate.

The IDF already killed them all along with all the other Gazan civilian non-combatants.
There are over 2.1 million civilian noncombatants in Gaza. While there has been a regrettably high number of deaths, the vast majority of them are still alive.

It's absolutely amazing watching Team Israel being manipulated to this extent by the Israelis.
Israel has many different positions, but I doubt there are many (or any) in Israel who wants trump to send the US military into Gaza. We have to wonder why anyone would vote for such an idiot of trump.
 
So the peace deal was announced ... between Israel and Hamas ... except it appears that it was Al Qassam who is doing all the agreeing and demanding ... and who obeyed the Qatari prince who ordered Al Qassam to accept the deal that was on the table at the moment.
They needed Hamas/Al Qassam's local support in Gaza, or the deal will never work. Remember the hostages are somewhere in Gaza.

Part of the problem with the negotiations is that the people who actually control the hostages are hard to communicate with. They are in a tiny area being attacked by the IDF.
 
Trump bought into the Swamps "Peace through Strength" so he is ramping up the threats when we need to go in the opposite direction.

This will get us all killed, the American Empire must admit defeat...every day we face the choice all around the world admit defeat or escalate....the neocons who have no reverse gear and dont give a flying fuck what We The People think/want/need always escalate.

Buckle Up.
You remind me of hardy har har in the cartoon lippy the lion
 
It is not "Team Israel" that has trump saying stupid things. It is trump saying stupid things.
Debunked. All the left has ever had is "Did ya' hear what Trump said? Did ya' hear what Trump said? Did ya'? Did ya', huh? Did ya'? Did ya' hear what Trump said?" tightly cropped and taken completely out of context.

Do you have a valid, meaningful point or not?

It is the trump voters responsible for this idiot becoming president.
It is Donald Trump who deserves all the credit for gaining the trust and confidence of We the People who gladly give him full power to represent Our wishes, to make America great again and to scrape all of the leftist shit off America's shoe, despite all the whining and pissing and moaning and bitching and complaining and sniveling and crying by all the loser leftist shits who made America shitty.

All the hostages will not be released in the next week.
You might very well be correct. What does that have to do with Trump?

Maybe we can get a group of the hostages released, build trust and get more released, but that will not happen in a week.
Great. What does that have to do with Trump?

Israel will not abandon their positions to allow the USA to strike Gaza, and nowhere else even begins to make sense.
Great. What does that have to do with Trump?

In other words, trump is just blustering.
Sure, and ....?

Stupid blustering makes America look weak.
Nope. Try again.

There is no answer to those questions that do not include trump being an idiot.
Trump's a genius and you appear to be the idiot in this equation. You seem to recognize this because you aren't offering any argument against Trump that holds any water.

Think about it and try again. You get unlimited do-overs.

Hamas has been as destroyed as possible in air attacks,
You mean Hamas was slaughtered along with 40,000+ other civilian non-combatants who never attacked Israel and who never had anyone hiding behind them.

so he would have to send ground forces in to fight both Hamas and Israel.
Trump isn't required to do anything. He could be just blustering to bolster negotiation strength.

Not quite sure what the point would be by then.
To possibly scare the shit out of certain people. You aren't privy to the information that Trump has and you aren't privy to Trump's plan, which shows in the silly things that you wrote.

Al Qassam is part of Hamas,
Absurd. Iran funds Al Qassam to do the Ayatollah's bidding and no one else's.

* Iran, in partnership with Qatar, funds Al Qassam roughly $100 million annually to launch rocket and special forces-type attacks on Israel, and were responsible for the Oct 7th, 2023 attack, not Hamas. This is the reason that the hostage negotiations are occurring in Qatar.

* Iran, in partnership with Syria (formerly), funds Hezbollah roughly $700 million annually to launch rocket and full military assaults on Israel.

* Iran, in partnership with local cels in and around Israel, funds Islamic Jihad roughly $30 million annually to perpetrate small scale attacks within Israel using small arms, knives/blades, small bombs/car bombs, etc.

* Since the Iranian Revolution of 1979, Iran has been responsible for every attack on Israel, save one - Saddam Hussein's SCUD missile attacks at the end of Desert Storm. Nobody else besides Iran, not Hamas, not Lebanon, not Saudi Arabia, not Oman, not Egypt, not Syria, not Iraq ... has funded, coordinated and authorized attacks on Israel.

There is no Hamas in the equation. There is only Iran and its proxies.

I suppose trump could go to war with Iran. Not really sure what that would get us.
That is the only way to stop the attacks on Israel. If the objective to protect Israel and to stop the attacks, Iran will have to be invaded. Otherwise, the attacks will go on and on and on and on forever.

At this point, invading Iran, or bombing Iran and causing a regime change, is the only answer. Hamas has already been slaughtered by the IDF, even though they never attacked Israel. So now, how will Team Israel explain subsequent attacks on Israel by Iran and its proxies? Answer: They will continue to blame Hamas and Team Israel will continue believing it.

When Trump or others invade Iran, some clever cover story will be crafted, but what I wrote above is the reason. Now it's the only option if the attacks on Israel are to stop, considering Iran's theocracy which compels Iran's leadership to destroy Israel.

[Trump] says random things,
Nope. The problem of a lack of comprehension is on your end. Most rational adults have no problem understanding Trump's message. Yes, Trump is often guilty of poor wording, but We the People are interested in the overall message, not in leftist "Did ya' hear what Trump said? Did ya' hear what Trump said? Did ya'? Did ya'? Did ya'? " tightly cropped and taken completely out of context. That is absolutely all leftists have. A rational adult would think that leftists would quickly get sick of allowing others to totally do their thinking for them and of regurgitating only stupid crap they have been ordered to believe, but TDS is a rather recent disease and We the People haven't seen this kind of cognitive debilitation before. More studies need to be done. The government should probably force leftists to take an experimental TDS vaccination.
 
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Debunked. All the left has ever had is "Did ya' hear what Trump said? Did ya' hear what Trump said? Did ya'? Did ya', huh? Did ya'? Did ya' hear what Trump said?" tightly cropped and taken completely out of context.

Do you have a valid, meaningful point or not?


It is Donald Trump who deserves all the credit for gaining the trust and confidence of We the People who gladly give him full power to represent Our wishes, to make America great again and to scrape all of the leftist shit off America's shoe, despite all the whining and pissing and moaning and bitching and complaining and sniveling and crying by all the loser leftist shits who made America shitty.


You might very well be correct. What does that have to do with Trump?


Great. What does that have to do with Trump?


Great. What does that have to do with Trump?


Sure, and ....?


Nope. Try again.


Trump's a genius and you appear to be the idiot in this equation. You seem to recognize this because you aren't offering any argument against Trump that holds any water.

Think about it and try again. You get unlimited do-overs.


You mean Hamas was slaughtered along with 40,000+ other civilian non-combatants who never attacked Israel and who never had anyone hiding behind them.


Trump isn't required to do anything. He could be just blustering to bolster negotiation strength.


To possibly scare the shit out of certain people. You aren't privy to the information that Trump has and you aren't privy to Trump's plan, which shows in the silly things that you wrote.


Absurd. Iran funds Al Qassam to do the Ayatollah's bidding and no one else's.

* Iran, in partnership with Qatar, funds Al Qassam roughly $100 million annually to launch rocket and special forces-type attacks on Israel, and were responsible for the Oct 7th, 2023 attack, not Hamas. This is the reason that the hostage negotiations are occurring in Qatar.

* Iran, in partnership with Syria (formerly), funds Hezbollah roughly $700 million annually to launch rocket and full military assaults on Israel.

* Iran, in partnership with local cels in and around Israel, funds Islamic Jihad roughly $30 million annually to perpetrate small scale attacks within Israel using small arms, knives/blades, small bombs/car bombs, etc.

* Since the Iranian Revolution of 1979, Iran has been responsible for every attack on Israel, save one - Saddam Hussein's SCUD missile attacks at the end of Desert Storm. Nobody else besides Iran, not Hamas, not Lebanon, not Saudi Arabia, not Oman, not Egypt, not Syria, not Iraq ... has funded, coordinated and authorized attacks on Israel.

There is no Hamas in the equation. There is only Iran and its proxies.


That is the only way to stop the attacks on Israel. If the objective to protect Israel and to stop the attacks, Iran will have to be invaded. Otherwise, the attacks will go on and on and on and on forever.

At this point, invading Iran, or bombing Iran and causing a regime change, is the only answer. Hamas has already been slaughtered by the IDF, even though they never attacked Israel. So now, how will Team Israel explain subsequent attacks on Israel by Iran and its proxies? Answer: They will continue to blame Hamas and Team Israel will continue believing it.

When Trump or others invade Iran, some clever cover story will be crafted, but what I wrote above is the reason. Now it's the only option if the attacks on Israel are to stop, considering Iran's theocracy which compels Iran's leadership to destroy Israel.


Nope. The problem of a lack of comprehension is on your end. Most rational adults have no problem understanding Trump's message. Yes, Trump is often guilty of poor wording, but We the People are interested in the overall message, not in leftist "Did ya' hear what Trump said? Did ya' hear what Trump said? Did ya'? Did ya'? Did ya'? " tightly cropped and taken completely out of context. That is absolutely all leftists have. A rational adult would think that leftists would quickly get sick of allowing others to totally do their thinking for them and of regurgitating only stupid crap they have been ordered to believe, but TDS is a rather recent disease and We the People haven't seen this kind of cognitive debilitation before. More studies need to be done. The government should probably force leftists to take an experimental TDS vaccination.
"Trump's a genius"

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Debunked. All the left has ever had is "Did ya' hear what Trump said? Did ya' hear what Trump said? Did ya'? Did ya', huh? Did ya'? Did ya' hear what Trump said?" tightly cropped and taken completely out of context.

Do you have a valid, meaningful point or not?
I think Biden is doing a great job with Gaza, considering how bad the situation is. I cannot make a meaningful point out of what trump has said.... More importantly, you cannot make a meaningful point out of what trump has said. I do not know why you would ask "team Israel" to make a meaningful point out of what trump said.

What does that have to do with Trump?
trump says he will have a massive military attack on... Something or other... If all the hostages are not released by the time he enters office. There is no way that all the hostages will be released by the time he enters office. So either he will prove himself to be a blowhard, or prove himself to be a violent nut job.

There is no Hamas in the equation. There is only Iran and its proxies.
Iran can send as much funding as they want, people are going to act in their own interest. Al Qassam Brigade is a part of Hamas, in fact, it is just about all of Hamas. They will act in their own interest.

If the objective to protect Israel and to stop the attacks, Iran will have to be invaded.
You are wrong on everything else, and I hope you are wrong here too. Invading Iran would be many times harder than invading Iraq. And we all remember how that turned out.
 
You cannot be in Al Qassam without first being in Hamas.
Nobody in Al Qassam is in Hamas. There is no connection between Al Qassam and Hamas. Iran funds Al Qassam to do the Ayatollah's bidding and no one else's. There is no debate to be had on this point.

There are over 2.1 million civilian noncombatants in Gaza. While there has been a regrettably high number of deaths, the vast majority of them are still alive.
Your absurd dismissal of 40,000+ deaths as somehow not reaching some undefined, artificial threshhold is ignored.

All that matters is that Israel, the United States and all but 41 countries* are signatories to Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide and have signed up to that definition of genocide.

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.


Israel is guilty of perpetrating genocide. The United States is obligated morally and legally to push for full accountability.

* - The 41 countries that have not signed the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide are as follows:
Africa: Botswana, Central African Republic, Chad, Comoros, Djibouti, Eritrea, Gabon, Gambia, Guinea-Bissau, Lesotho, Liberia, Malawi, Mauritania, Namibia, Niger, São Tomé and Príncipe, Seychelles, Somalia, Asia: Bhutan, Brunei, Cambodia, East Timor, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, North Korea, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Syria, Turkmenistan, Yemen, Americas: Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Dominica, Grenada, Saint Kitts and Nevis


Israel has many different positions, but I doubt there are many (or any) in Israel who wants trump to send the US military into Gaza.
Israelis, for the most part, are heavily racist, and virtue-signal their HATRED for Arabs. Just check Israeli social media. Just check their oppression of Gazans. They HATE Arabs and wouldn't mind if they were to just go extinct.

We have to wonder why anyone would vote for such an idiot of trump.
Aaaaaahh, the Marxist "we" rears its ugly head. By "we" you mean yourself alone. You, in your TDS debilitation, can't think like a rational adult and cannot understand why We the People demand Trump fix all the leftist shit caused by the people who do your thinking for you. You are your problem. You have become your own enemy.
 
I think Biden is doing a great job with Gaza, considering how bad the situation is.
Biden is on a permanent vacation and isn't doing anything with respect to Gaza.

I cannot make a meaningful point out of what trump has said
You simply can't make a meaningful point, but you are somehow trying to blame Trump.

.... More importantly, you cannot make a meaningful point out of what trump has said.
Trump made the point and you didn't understand it. Where did I fit in to all that?

I'll tell you what. You post a video of Trump making a point that you don't understand, or that your TDS causes you to misunderstand, and I'll translate it for you. I'm happy to help.

Iran can send as much funding as they want, people are going to act in their own interest.
Stupid comment. Iran's proxies do exactly as Iran orders because that's what Iran is paying them $millions to do.

Al Qassam Brigade is a part of Hamas,
Nope. Stupid assertion.
 
Biden is on a permanent vacation and isn't doing anything with respect to Gaza.


You simply can't make a meaningful point, but you are somehow trying to blame Trump.


Trump made the point and you didn't understand it. Where did I fit in to all that?

I'll tell you what. You post a video of Trump making a point that you don't understand, or that your TDS causes you to misunderstand, and I'll translate it for you. I'm happy to help.


Stupid comment. Iran's proxies do exactly as Iran orders because that's what Iran is paying them $millions to do.


Nope. Stupid assertion.
You cannot stand that Biden is lucid, Dumb-Boy.

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