Who makes the best beer on earth?

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I don't really like pale ales, although I have become accustomed to a few. I do love white ales, though. I will refrain from judging them for Heineken, since its like their version of Busch.

It depends for me. Regular pale ales aren't too bad, but I don't dig IPAs too often. I'm just not that much of a hop head. Not that they are bad or anything, just not my style

 

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I think the explosion of microbrews has opened the eyes of the major brewers that the American people have discovered what good beer is and expect a higher level of quality and are willing to pay for it. I can't remember the last time I've bought Miller or Budweiser or any of their products in the last 5 years. My every day drinking beer now is Sam Adams lager and I enjoy some of the local microbrews from here in Ohio (Great Lakes dortumunder is excellent and Columbus Breweries IPA is better, I think, then Dogfishheads 60 minute IPA.). To bad neither is on this list but understandable for Columbus as their brews are both unfiltered nor pastuerized so it doesn't travel well.

I think that what is happening in the US is very similar to the situation in the UK in the 1970s, when there was a backlash against the appalling pasteurised crap that the main brewers called beer. I remember going to Essen in the late 70s for a wedding and I just couldn't believe that there was a German pub serving Watney's Red Barrel. There was even a joke about it, why are Red Barrel and making love in a punt similar? Because they are both fucking close to water!!

 

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I think that what is happening in the US is very similar to the situation in the UK in the 1970s, when there was a backlash against the appalling pasteurised crap that the main brewers called beer. I remember going to Essen in the late 70s for a wedding and I just couldn't believe that there was a German pub serving Watney's Red Barrel. There was even a joke about it, why are Red Barrel and making love in a punt similar? Because they are both fucking close the water?

Ours started around the same time and it's ONLY because of Carters deregulation of home brewing. But it's remained relatively obscure until Sam Adams started becoming popular.

On a side note I'm solely responsible for our new 'Beer of the Month' at my club. I love it.

 

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Ours started around the same time and it's ONLY because of Carters deregulation of home brewing. But it's remained relatively obscure until Sam Adams started becoming popular.

On a side note I'm solely responsible for our new 'Beer of the Month' at my club. I love it.

So Carter wasn't all bad!!

 

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So Carter wasn't all bad!!

Even a broken click is right once a day (24 clock in this case).

 

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Also Tom, get your ass in WW.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Ours started around the same time and it's ONLY because of Carters deregulation of home brewing. But it's remained relatively obscure until Sam Adams started becoming popular.

On a side note I'm solely responsible for our new 'Beer of the Month' at my club. I love it.

That's not true. You just weren't old enough to drink. Microbrews became an instant hit as soon as Carter deregulated them and they started popping up all over the place in the early 80's. In the lat 80's and 90's a lot of craft breweries went belly up. Sam Adams showed that a craft brewery could also a regional player in distribution though they are still minor compared to the big 3.

 

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That's not true. You just weren't old enough to drink. Microbrews became an instant hit as soon as Carter deregulated them and they started popping up all over the place in the early 80's. In the lat 80's and 90's a lot of craft breweries went belly up. Sam Adams showed that a craft brewery could also a regional player in distribution though they are still minor compared to the big 3.

It's been a lot more popular lately because of the success and creative PR of Sam Adams, regardless of their previous popularity. It also has to do with, once again, MY GENERATION being fed up with everything associated with the X'ers and Boomers.

Face it Mott, you're jealous you're not part of the force saving America.

 

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That's not true. You just weren't old enough to drink. Microbrews became an instant hit as soon as Carter deregulated them and they started popping up all over the place in the early 80's. In the lat 80's and 90's a lot of craft breweries went belly up. Sam Adams showed that a craft brewery could also a regional player in distribution though they are still minor compared to the big 3.

Do you have an equivalent to CAMRA in the US?

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Do you have an equivalent to CAMRA in the US?

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No, not really.

 

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No, not really.

There you go, a perfect opportunity to start something.

 

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There you go, a perfect opportunity to start something.

Well, we do have lots of brewers groups locally and statewide, but as far as an actual national organization....no. It'd be too difficult to do. Unless you count the American Brewers Guild.

http://www.abgbrew.com/

 

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Well, we do have lots of brewers groups locally and statewide, but as far as an actual national organization....no. It'd be too difficult to do. Unless you count the American Brewers Guild.

http://www.abgbrew.com/

I am talking more about a pressure group, obviously the whole of the US is too much to take on. CAMRA started small and was ridiculed initially as being a bunch of nostalgic beer bores, but they have had enormous influence down the years.

 

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I am talking more about a pressure group, obviously the whole of the US is too much to take on. CAMRA started small and was ridiculed initially as being a bunch of nostalgic beer bores, but they have had enormous influence down the years.

The ABG does a lot to introduce craft brewing around here. I just looked at the requirements for their training and DAMN, I didn't need any of that to be qualified to operate a nuclear fucking submarine.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

The ABG does a lot to introduce craft brewing around here. I just looked at the requirements for their training and DAMN, I didn't need any of that to be qualified to operate a nuclear fucking submarine.

What are their requirements. It takes a lot of knowledge of chemistry, microbiology, botany and chemical engineering to make a good beer so I can see where the training standards can be pretty tough.

 

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What are their requirements. It takes a lot of knowledge of chemistry, microbiology, botany and chemical engineering to make a good beer so I can see where the training standards can be pretty tough.

For their 5 week introductory course it requires at least a college course in ALL those things, and at least pre calculus math to boot.

 

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What are their requirements. It takes a lot of knowledge of chemistry, microbiology, botany and chemical engineering to make a good beer so I can see where the training standards can be pretty tough.

Good God, how did anybody manage to brew beers in the past?

 

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Good God, how did anybody manage to brew beers in the past?

well they didn't have to contend with millions of educated consumers and the FDA.

 

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well they didn't have to contend with millions of educated consumers and the FDA.

A lot of home brewers don't have to contend with the FDA either. Various regs apply differently depending on brewing capacity.

 

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That's not true. You just weren't old enough to drink. Microbrews became an instant hit as soon as Carter deregulated them and they started popping up all over the place in the early 80's. In the lat 80's and 90's a lot of craft breweries went belly up. Sam Adams showed that a craft brewery could also a regional player in distribution though they are still minor compared to the big 3.

I thin Sam Adams also proved that a craft brewery could compete against the european brews, which was seen as a high water mark.