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Yup...that covers it perfectly, OW.

I actually feel sorry for people who have to try to cover for Trump...rather than just acknowledging that America (and the rest of humanity) would be much better off if he were fired.

My guess: There will come a day where almost nobody will admit to supporting Trump...even if all of today's MAGA morons are still alive.

They have no sense of self-worth or any integrity, let alone empathy.
 
Being able to demand something now when they were getting nothing before...IS GETTING SOMETHING.

Not sure how to explain that so the MAGA crowd can understand it.
Anyone can demand anything at any time, but if one cannot 'enforce' the demand, then the demand is meaningless.
 
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Anyone can demand anything at any time, but if one cannot 'enforce' the demand, then the demand is meaningless.
The reason they are making this demand is to piss in Trump's face. It is not meaningless. They have mined the strait because of the moron's war...and THEY have to guide boats through the minefield.

If you want to think that is meaningless...I am sure there are merchant marines needed for boats travelling through the strait. would you apply?
 
The reason they are making this demand is to piss in Trump's face.
The reason they are making this demand is to project faux power that they don't actually have.
It is not meaningless.
It is meaningless.
They have mined the strait because of the moron's war...
No they haven't.
and THEY have to guide boats through the minefield.
No, they don't.
If you want to think that is meaningless...
It is meaningless.
I am sure there are merchant marines needed for boats travelling through the strait. would you apply?
I'm not a merchant marine. I'm an accountant.
 
It is not over. They are taking a 2-week break. Iran is probably under worse leadership. Mission not accomplished. America has lost a lot of respect worldwide. His Armageddon talk repelled our friends and neutrals. That is a bigly loss. He offended NATO, even more, and is snuggling with Orban. Now, a lot more people think Trump is insane. He hinted at using nukes. Who does that?
 
Do you have actual proof of either?
Greece and Liberia were the last ones to pass through in case you need to look...



 
The Strait of Hormuz was open before Trump's War. Getting it hopefully open again is just getting back to the point where we started. That's not 'victory'.

The uranium stockpiles have not been eliminated, a hardline regime remains in power, and there is no improvement in the liberty and human rights of Iranian citizens.
The people seem to hate us now. They are managing Hormuz and charging.
 



So no receipts or no pictures...
 
The reason they are making this demand is to project faux power that they don't actually have.

Nah...it is more reasonable to suppose they are trying to piss in Trump's face. Great aim on their part.

It is meaningless.
Only to a MAGA moron.

No they haven't.

I'm pretty sure they have.

No, they don't.

I'm pretty sure they do.
Of course, the merchant fleet may just take a chance and move through.

We'll see.
It is meaningless.

No it is not.
I'm not a merchant marine. I'm an accountant.

I think you got what I was trying to convey. But people still not condemning Trump often put on the kind of bravado that asshole does...so, fine.

I don't mind a good laugh.
 
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