Who's to blame for the Mortgage meltdown?

Cypress

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Who's to blame for the mortgage mess?

You know who the victims are. We name some of the villains in a credit crunch built on irresponsible subprime lending in the United States.

Excerpt: ” "Quite frankly, there was a race to lower standards to generate more loans… It was like kids in a candy store. You had to be a complete screw-up not to make money. There were basically no guidelines, no restrictions and no oversight."

No. 1: Alan Greenspan

In his best-selling book, Alan Greenspan describes how well he managed the economy during an "age of turbulence." Unfortunately, he's largely responsible for the current dose of it.

As chairman of the Fed, Greenspan took the federal funds rate down to 1% in 2003 and left it there for a year. Even as the Fed began raising rates, Greenspan's exceptionally low interest rates "planted the seeds for the housing bubble," says Robert Rodriguez, a money manager at First Pacific Advisors who saw the emerging subprime mess early on and has managed to dodge most of it so far.
Greenspan's role in the current mess doesn't stop there. He encouraged th

The use of adjustable-rate mortgages in a 2004 speech, which was "an insane, idiotic recommendation," says Rodriguez. The following year he endorsed subprime loans to help marginal borrowers get into houses. And true to his somewhat naive brand of Ayn Rand libertarianism, Greenspan dismissed calls for more oversight of the mortgage business. This gave free rein to our next culprits: greedy mortgage brokers who had no problem pushing inappropriate loans on borrowers so that they could reap lucrative fees.

No. 2: Countrywide CEO Angelo Mozilo

None of this would have been possible without the help of mortgage lenders willing to go along with the charade. There are many of them, but I'd cite Countrywide Financial (CFC, news, msgs) CEO Angelo Mozilo as one of the most egregious.

Mozilo acknowledged potential risks in the subprime market early on, but he continued to compete to maintain market share, even though the only way to do this was to water down loan underwriting standards like everyone else. "If the market was offering something, they wanted to offer it too," says Erin Swanson, a Morningstar (MORN, news, msgs) analyst who covers the stock.

Even though Mozilo made more than $20 million a year in salary and bonuses in 2004 and 2005, he wanted to book more profits, mainly by selling stock options, as Countrywide was riding high on the bubble. We know this because he took advantage of a special rule to set up an automatic selling program in his company's stock. Company documents show he realized $310 million in the three fiscal years ending in June 2007. If his agenda was to cash out personally, he had a good motive to play along with the subprime charade.

Countrywide declined to comment, but a company spokesman has told other media outlets that no one, including Mozilo, could have foreseen the events that led to the current problems with subprime-mortgage debt and that all of Mozilo stock sales complied with regulatory rules.

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No. 5: The ratings agencies

Money managers may have been blinded to problems with debt instruments backed by subprime mortgages because of their hunger for higher yields. But in missing the cues, they also got a hand from the credit-ratings agencies, which get paid to evaluate debt products and make a call on the likelihood of default. The three big ones are Standard & Poor's, Moody's Investors Service and Fitch Ratings.

"The rating agencies missed something, to be gracious about it," says Don Quigley, the co-portfolio manager of the Julius Baer Total Return Bond Fund (JBGIX). Part of the problem, says First Pacific Advisors' Rodriguez, is that rating these debt instruments was big business, and the ratings agencies were often getting paid for the ratings by the same people who were creating the debt instruments. So they might have been tempted to let their guard down when it came to weighing the likelihood of negative scenarios.

"As far back as 2004-2005 we were aware of questionable underwriting, potential fraud and limited documentation" in the home-mortgage industry, says Rodriguez. "These did not appear to be appropriately considered in the rating process." What's more, risk models used by the ratings agencies assumed continued home price appreciation that would allow marginal home buyers to refinance their loans when their monthly mortgage payments went up.

"We suspect that with so much money to be earned by originating, securitizing and rating, there were too many conflicts to take a very critical view of the process," says Rodriguez. The ratings agencies declined to comment.

No. 6: Mortgage brokers

Home buyers should have known better than to get into adjustable-rate loans they couldn't afford when interest rates reset higher. But I'd single out another party in the industry for the most blame: the mortgage brokers.
For mortgage brokers -- many of whom were independent operators in mom-and-pop shops -- the real-estate bubble was a real bonanza, and their greed got the better of them.

"Quite frankly, there was a race to lower standards to generate more loans," says a former mortgage broker with a major bank in the Chicago area. And for good reason: A merely "good" mortgage broker could easily take home $250,000 a year. But most of them were bringing in $500,000 to $750,000 as long as they cranked out enough loans -- and damn the consequences, says the former mortgage broker. "It was like kids in a candy store. You had to be a complete screw-up not to make money. There were basically no guidelines, no restrictions and no oversight."



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banks for making mortgages that are to risky for people

People for getting houses they cant afford.
 
banks for making mortgages that are to risky for people

People for getting houses they cant afford.

exactly chap, why on that list aren't the people who bought more than they could afford, and if they bought too much why didn't they get a 2nd job to make the payments?
 
My read on this article, is they are talking about who caused this thing to happen in the first place. Not who exacerbated it, or contributed to it once the horse had already left the barn

The people who invented risky loans, and strategies in order to pump up profit, is the thesis. Joe Blow home owner didn't invent the high risk loans, or the strategies to bring them to market to maximize profit. Joe Blow certainly didn't help matters. But Joe Blow didn't invent the very mechanism that caused this thing to happen.
 
Greedy Investors/Speculators

Sorry but the real/fair name of the game is to keep High Profits out of the needs category...people need: Housing,Food,Medical.,transportation,utilities...to speculate and make enormous profits only causes melt down and potential for insurrection as was during the 1776 era... The US and French( working class)...fought against the 'Let them eat cake' syndrome! This is not 'Rocket Science'

Anyone who studies history can see the writing on the wall...President Andrew Jackson fought against the US Bank...attached to the British 'Bank of London'( Even if you do not like Andrew Jackson-he was on target)...it is now called the 'Federal Reserve Bank'...different name same game!
 
I do have one concern on this though.... The feds are now going to get involved, legislation is now pending that would tighten up this loose as a goose situation, BUT, won't this actually hurt the situation now, with all of these millions of people trying to refinance in order to save themselves from losing their homes and bankruptcy... with rules now being tightened on getting credit?
 
people purchased to much house then they can afford.. problem number 1.
People were able to get more house then they can afford... problem number 2.

obviously the first could not have happened without the second.
 
I do have one concern on this though.... The feds are now going to get involved, legislation is now pending that would tighten up this loose as a goose situation, BUT, won't this actually hurt the situation now, with all of these millions of people trying to refinance in order to save themselves from losing their homes and bankruptcy... with rules now being tightened on getting credit?



My understanding of the rules changes is not that they tighten the rules for getting credit but change the way that the loans are marketed to borrowers.
 
people purchased to much house then they can afford.. problem number 1.
People were able to get more house then they can afford... problem number 2.

obviously the first could not have happened without the second.


But Chap that ignores the fact that people could not have afforded and qualified for traditional loans in the amounts that they were borrowing and without the exotic loan packages the borrowers would never have qualified for such high loans.
 
NOPE.............!

people purchased to much house then they can afford.. problem number 1.
People were able to get more house then they can afford... problem number 2.

obviously the first could not have happened without the second.


Housing prices are artificially inflated to help bulster the specualtors profits...A $30,000.00 house.... is inflated to over $400,000.00 give the worker bees a quick phoney rate loan...then hit them within the year ...reposses,then resale...thats the name of the game...sick investors without a heart...plain and simple...where is Andrew Jackson when ya need him?
 
Federally controlled interest rates, lower than they should have been, allowed homes to go up in price faster and well beyond the norm too....Chap...and I ain't complaining cuz I got out just in time....but alot of this problem is not just people getting in to a home for the first time, but people who took the supposed equity, (inflated of course) out of their homes and in to the economy, making what would have been a recessionary period in to what looked like an economic boom imo

Care
 
But Chap that ignores the fact that people could not have afforded and qualified for traditional loans in the amounts that they were borrowing and without the exotic loan packages the borrowers would never have qualified for such high loans.

no im not ignoring it. its the rout cause. banks gave people loans for the corner house with creative payment schemes when they could only afford the ranch in the back with a traditional loan..
 
but just cause someone can go out and get a 10year balloon payment with 6months no payments with a piggy back geranomo adjustable rate clause... doesn't let them off the hook of not knowing that they cant afford that 2500sf house on that medical tech salary.
 
Moot Point..........

but just cause someone can go out and get a 10year balloon payment with 6months no payments with a piggy back geranomo adjustable rate clause... doesn't let them off the hook of not knowing that they cant afford that 2500sf house on that medical tech salary.


The market is going way South...the people are fed up with Speculator rip offs...happened in the past and is happening again...'end of story'
 
but just cause someone can go out and get a 10year balloon payment with 6months no payments with a piggy back geranomo adjustable rate clause... doesn't let them off the hook of not knowing that they cant afford that 2500sf house on that medical tech salary.


I agree. But also keep in mind that investigations have shown that people were promised that they could just refinance when the adjustable rate kicked in and were subsequently denied the refinance when the time came.

Plenty of blame to spread 'round.
 
no doubt about that.. talked to my dad and brother in law on Sunday.. going to get a trust together and see about buying out some foreclosures and renting.. this is an astonishingly good time to buy.
 
My read on this article, is they are talking about who caused this thing to happen in the first place. Not who exacerbated it, or contributed to it once the horse had already left the barn

The people who invented risky loans, and strategies in order to pump up profit, is the thesis. Joe Blow home owner didn't invent the high risk loans, or the strategies to bring them to market to maximize profit. Joe Blow certainly didn't help matters. But Joe Blow didn't invent the very mechanism that caused this thing to happen.

Fiat money. No that was FDR, etc.
 
1.} 9-11 {the reason rates went to 1%}
2} The Fed for lowering them to 1% for too long
3.} Mortgage Fraud
4.} Wall Street {when all you need is someone to buy your bad loan you will make more}
5.} Lenders
6.} Brokers
7.} Homeowners {come on don't play dumb now}
8.} Cities for allowing over development
9.} Builders Not saving $$ in good time to help them through the bad times
 
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